Why I hate Long Island with all my heart and soul

Those people who talk about cities like Detroit being the worst places to live have clearly never been to Long Island.  Having been a lifelong native here, I can say without any shadow of doubt that this fish-shaped extension of sewage material, located due east of Manhattan, is one of the most intolerable, despicable, grimy, disgusting, vile, evil, filthy, overpopulated mounds of fecal matter to ever bedevil the history of man.

Map of Long Island and NYC boroughs

After traveling to over 30 states in the past few years, I’ve come to believe that Long Island uniquely exemplifies everything that’s wrong with this country.  The exorbitant costs of living, the utterly corrupt police departments, the pothole riddled streets, a populace with disturbingly schizophrenic leanings, the high taxation, the list goes on and on.  In a way, you could say Long Island is the kind of place that offers all the downsides of New York City, with none of the upside.

Long Island natives have an unusual proclivity for bipolar behavior, a reality that made my time growing up here a less than pleasant one.  Hot one day, cold the next.  Nice one day, a stone of rudeness the next.  There was no consistency to the way people acted.  I thought it was just me, but my mother told me her experience had been the same when she was a child, having been a former NYC native before moving further out east to Suffolk County, and recalling how utterly bewildered she was as well by Long Islanders’ neurotic behavior.

I should mention, while Brooklyn and Queens is technically a part of Long Island, they are actually boroughs of New York City, retaining a distinctive difference in culture that remains separate from the suburban sprawls of Nassau and Suffolk County.  It is these two specific counties that make Long Island what it is, and to which I reserve my unrepentant, vitriolic hatred for.

It wasn’t just my mother and me who noticed the peculiar behavior of the natives.  Anyone I spoke to that was from out of town made the same observations:  “Man, people are crazy here.  Must be something in the water.”  It didn’t matter where they came from either.  I’ve met foreign exchange students, people from Europe, people from out of state, even people from nearby Manhattan, and their reactions were nearly always the same.  They ALL blamed the water too.

One of the things that clued me in to why Long Island natives were such a mentally unstable, psychotic bunch was a little factoid I learned back when I was taking Psychology 101 in college.  My professor had mentioned in passing that Long Island had the largest percentage of mental institutions per square mile than anywhere else in the country.  Literally.

Well, that certainly answered a few questions.

Over time I had to learn not to take the natives’ rude and unstable attitudes personally, but it was one of the reasons my introverted personality became even more introverted as I grew up.  I had very few friends during my childhood, filtering out the typical crazies, and holding on to the rare few whose minds were still sound for as long as I could.  The only thing crazier than Long Islanders are Long Islanders who are teenagers, and indeed, I met some of the strangest and most bizarre people I have ever met in my life during my high school years.  I remember one in particular during my junior year, a friend of my then best friend, who once got funky with his girlfriend’s mom in the backseat of her car… while her father filmed the whole thing from the front seat.

Chris Hansen Peaks In
Why don’t you take a seat right over there…

When I discovered that (from the news no less) I decided then that I had more than enough exposure to the human race, and it was time to close ranks and isolate myself before The Crazy got me too.  Being a recluse was a small price to pay in order to preserve my sanity in an insane place.

This craziness also spills over into the roads too.  The irrational and inconsistent behavior of the motorists has led me to endlessly deal with traffic split up between drivers who like to go 40MPH (usually in the left lane) and those who like to go 80MPH, with nothing in between.  This is why people who drive in front of me are always going too slow while those behind me are always going too fast.  I get sandwiched these two extremes during my daily commute, such that I can never use cruise control even when the traffic is moving.  I’m not even dealing with the worst of it either due to working odd hours, so I’m able to commute without enduring LI’s infamous rush hour traffic.  Rush hour here is a whole ‘nother fresh set of hell that only drivers in Los Angeles could begin to understand.

Tank bulldozing on highway
I wish I could drive to work this way.

The overwhelming population and volume of traffic on Long island is so bad that most locals (including me) plan our outings based on traffic patterns.  Timing is everything, and if you miss your chance, be prepared to spend three times as much time on the roads as you originally planned to, dealing with every crazy with (and without) a driver’s license under heaven.  Only those who venture out at the crack of dawn or at 3AM will be spared the worst of the agony.

It’s even more unbearable in the summer, when school lets out and unleashes a horde of terrifying teenagers flooring mommy and daddy’s car into the red zone, along with a plague of old fogies arriving here from Florida to spend the summer and clog the roads with their Cadillacs, driving just as uber-slow as the teens drive uber-fast.

Until I started traveling to other states, I was always left with the impression that Long Island traffic wasn’t really unique, that it was just a fact of life for any area of the country with a heavy population density.  But now, having driven on roads in over 30 odd states, I can truthfully say traffic on Long Island is in a class of its own.

Drivers can be jerkwads no matter where you go, but what I learned from driving outside of Long Island was how more predictable and consistent motorists were.  Even more intriguing, if they saw you coming, especially in the left lane, they almost always moved out of the way.  On Long Island, I have to laugh at people who flashed their lights at cars ahead of them because it proved they were obviously from out of town.  The net result from flashing your lights is that the guy in front of you either blithely ignores you or slows down even more out of pure spite.  We have no fast lanes here, even when traffic is light, because there are always slow pokes cluttering up the roads and threatening the safety of everyone by literally driving BELOW the minimum speeds on parkways.  It results in a lot of frustrated drivers cutting in and out of lanes just to get around these virtual roadblocks, and it’s also why a pleasant cruise to nowhere in particular is always an impossibility.

Austin Powers in a Tight Spot
No room for cruise control here…

And even if Long Island wasn’t a traffic nightmare, there’s really no place for me to go.  Long Island is just… ugly.  The myriad number of towns here belie the reality that it’s all one big indiscriminate suburban sprawl of cement and congested roads.  There’s very little to distinguish one town/village from the next,  and because of that there’s very little sense of community too.   Instead, we have micro-cliques that either have their roots in childhood or are borne out of living in the same neighborhood for many years.  It’s very unlike the small towns and even cities that I’ve traveled to, many of which tend to have this “Cheers” like atmosphere, where everyone knows your name (and they’re always glad you came).  Social circles outside of Long Island seem less rigid and more open-ended, at least in my experience.  Rather than constantly being treated as an outsider (or where your existence isn’t even acknowledged), it’s relatively easy to seek out and become a part of new social groups, even as a newcomer.  There’s no drive to maintain a caste system in the way that I’ve seen here, and I think that may be partly due to Long Island’s proclivity for being indifferent and even hostile to strangers, no matter who they are, whereas I find there’s a higher sense of civility and overt friendliness nearly everywhere else, even in New York City.  It’s actually stunning to experience the sea change in behavior once you drive or take the train a mere 50 miles or so from the suburbs to downtown Manhattan, where some sense of normalcy and civility is restored.

Some people may disagree that Long island is ugly, citing its beaches, seaports and numerous parks.  The problem is whatever natural beauty it does offer is ruined by swarms of humanity who pollute the scenery everywhere they go.  There is no place in which you can truly feel like you can get away from it all (the traffic, the noise, the populace), except possibly the Hamptons, the seat of the uber-rich and ultra-privileged.  Even then, it’s telling that it requires a roughly 100 mile drive to the near edge of Long Island just to “get away” for the weekend.

And even if you COULD find a quiet place in the woods or a park to camp out, relax or otherwise take in the scenery, there’s still the matter of the ticks.  And more ticks.  And, my Lord in heaven, even MORE ticks.  Long island has in fact one of the highest incidents of lyme disease and tick infestation than anywhere else in the country.

How YOU doin’?

Long Island’s economic climate is also a veritable cesspool of fail.  It follows the national trajectory of undermining and destroying the middle class (although in many respects it’s far ahead of the game than the rest of the country), making it true to its bipolar roots (either hot or cold, fast or slow) and economically, either rich or poor, with nothing in between.  Despite heavy taxation, the counties remain in massive debt, while the population density have pushed the astounding real estate market prices well beyond the reach of many first time home buyers.  I recently read a statistic that more than 55% of people ages 20-34 on Long Island STILL live with their parents.  There are not enough apartments to go around, and many are actually illegal dwellings due to not being up to code.  The irony is that most illegal apartments are actually habitable, but coding ordinances are designed more to bilk residents out of more money than for valid safety reasons.  As a result, apartments up to code often have exorbitant leasing costs.  A studio near where I work for example is currently going for $2,400 to $2,800 a month.  For a studio.  What it would typically cost to rent a four bedroom home in nearly any state would barely cover the expenses of living in someone’s basement here.  Outside of possibly San Francisco, Long Island has the most expensive real estate market in the country.

DiCaprio Smashes Glass Over Head
My polite response to my landlord’s decision to raise my rent by $400 a month.

Even more infuriating is witnessing the endless line of “Section 8” tenants who are able to live in luxury apartments for a third of the rent, and yet bringing down the quality of living for everyone by engaging in criminal behavior and refusing to clean up after themselves.  It’s one thing to live on the government dole as a result of falling on hard times, but it’s quite another to pick up a tax funded paycheck while running a drug cartel out of your living room.

And yes, I also blame Long Island for dampening my dating life as well.  Having given up on the local prospects, who range from the snooty, to the bizarre, to the outright insane, I tend to look for romantic prospects outside New York, yet the cultural/economic differences have often been difficult or even impossible to overcome.  Those who live in areas with costs of living at normal rates can’t seem to understand why most Long Islanders don’t already own their first homes by say, age 21.  It’s especially grating when so many rely on their parents’ wealth for their quality of living (something I never had the benefit of enjoying, and whose parents had to rely on me for financial support), and hence have no concept of what it’s like to endure true financial hardship.  I can’t relate to people who’s had it too easy or too good, whose concept of suffering is a barista mistakenly pouring soy milk instead of almond milk into her latte.   It creates a divide that makes it difficult for any girl residing outside the Long Island bubble to understand the life I’ve lived.  I might as well be living in a third world country.  Actually, given what a smelly landfill Long Island is, calling it a third world country probably wouldn’t be too far off the mark.

Demon Temptress
A typical Long Island girl.

I would have escaped this rock a long time ago, but circumstances have prevented me from doing so, year after agonizing year.  But… I think a door is finally starting to open.  I have assets and opportunities now that I didn’t have before, and I’ve been making the routine effort to apply for jobs in all the places and states I’d like to move to.  Whereas before finances were a major issue, now it’s just a question of securing a new job out of state, which unfortunately has gotten more difficult considering the economic climate we live in, but I’m hopeful.  I see major changes in the year ahead, and hope it will soon bring the day when I am finally released from the prison that is this hateful island.

UPDATE:  I HAVE BEEN “PAROLED!”  After years of plague and darkness, I have finally left Long Island once and for all!  Please feel free to continue reading my blog for updates as I make the long overdue transition to a NEW life and a NEW home beyond “Wrong” Island!

Millennium Falcon Hyperdrive
I’m outta here…

Author: Frank

One man journeys through history and the world in an epic search for truth, justice... and great pizza.

495 thoughts on “Why I hate Long Island with all my heart and soul”

    1. I can totally relate to mist of what you described. I moved from Northern California to Long Island for a year, because of a job that was offered by a relative. Me & my wife lived in Selden (next to Centereach in Suffolk county). For me, it didn’t take too long for us to realize that Long Island is indeed straight out ugly! While it’s very noticeable people can’t drive and are hostile! You’d see accidents both ways on either 495 or 347. People are uptight and flat out rude! Especially for someone like us who came from California. We live in Sacramento (state Capitol). It’s a very nice and a decent city. Sacramento might slightly be overshadowed, as compared to San Francisco, Los Angeles, San Diego, etc. California has may class-A / all-star cities, if you will, that Sacramento seem to look mediocre. But bring Sacramento to New York State, let’s say, and people would find it a lovable place to live and settle (at least compared to Long Island, Albany, or Buffalo). Californians are much nicer and more polite in comparison. Our driving attitude are different; predictable, and we give way. If you live in California, you’re used to a certain high standard and kindness that you’ll NEVER find in Long Island. Yes, Long Island has the Hamptons, but California has Malibu, Long Beach, Oceanside (Orange County), Monterey, San Simeon, San Luis Obispo, I can go on and on. – not mentioning that long beautiful coastal scenic drive! So, no wonder, who ever I talked to, if I say, “I moved here from California”, they’d give me this certain look while saying, “Really? Are you serious??”. I also noticed that Nassau county has become so congested, it slowly is becoming just like Queens. While in Suffolk, man, businesses are closing and moving out! Business in Smithtown, Brookhaven, Patchouge, Port Jefferson, Bohemia, etc. are in bad shape. You’d see many empty business units for rent and are closing down. Students from Stony Brook University aren’t actually from Long Island. They’re from New York City, some are from surrounding states like, NJ, CT, DE, etc…Another is There is a lack of good restaurants in Long island! You have to go all the way to New York City and go through the city’s hustle and bustle to dine in a very impressive restaurant. — Again, that is if you’re used to the California standard you get, especially in San Francisco or Los Angeles. Now, we’re back in California, and we glad we made the right decision in returning. Though we lived for a year in Long Island, We never missed it – not one bit! We never had a good experience and we actually despise it.

    2. I’ve been to L.A., and was actually surprised by how much I liked the city. Much more mellow vibe than Long Island, even if the traffic did remind me of home. I’ve heard great things about Sacramento too. New York ranks last in many categories I suspect in no small part because of Long Island.

    3. Long Island is the white trash capitol of the country. This is something I’ve said for years. People get mad when I say this, but it’s true. New Jersey, contrary to what people believe , is actually 100x less trashy and much nicer. And I’m not from New Jersey so I think that says a lot. It’s refreshing to see someone else finally have the guts to say what I’ve always said. But don’t bother trying to convince any other Long Island native of the obvious truth. Their ignorant, blind pride leaves them in denial.

    4. Get a life. You spent all these pages writing about your hatred. You are someone people would like to be with (not). Blaming your dating life on Long Island. Maybe it’s you people don’t want to be with. You’re a loser. You’ll never be happy about anything for a long period.

    5. Long island sounds exactly like China. Like you I have been stuck in a crappy place, but China is even worse, the people here dump wherever they are standing, right on the sidewalk, no joke. Slurp all their liquids when they drink,smack their food when they chew. Yell when they talk, even if the person is only inches away. You can’t drink the tap water, can’t even open the window unless you like constant honking and the smell of burning trash, which they burn everyday. With plumes of burning plastic wafting into the air, a total disregard for anyone but themselves. Local police don’t enforce the traffic laws, people run red ligths,drive in the suicide lane, whatever they want, police literally just sit there and look at their cell phones all day. Then if you’re a white guy,like me, as soon as you step out of your concrete box that passes for an apartment here, they all stare and point at you. Everywhere you go they cat call you with “hallo”, which should be “hello”,but of course they don’t speak english. Also, when you stand in line they will cut in front of you unless you physically stop them, then they will give you a dirty look like you are the one being rude. I have been putting up with this crap for 3 years and this year is finally my last year here in this dump. In closing I just wanted to say I know a little bit about how you feel. Goodluck in your new location.

    6. I’m a native long islander and I agree with many things that you said. When I go to manhattan the difference in people is very noticeable. I have more manhattan friends in the few hours I spend there every week than I have in my lifetime on long island.

      What you left out is there are also many good, decent, intelligent people on long island. Also many people who are just born here and don’t know any better.

      Maybe if you or others could unite instead of running away, we could slowly bring about changes that are badly needed by these people.

      1. There are a few of them, I’m sure, but not enough to affect change in my opinion. Things would probably have to get far, far worse before enough people band together to make a difference in improving the quality of living, and that’s probably not going to happen anytime soon.

    7. L.I. has it’s problems… a very high cost of living and high population density is the island’ s

      main drawback. People going it alone here and pensioners will suffer the most unless your

      personal income is around 100k or more, you can get by with less but not if you intend to

      own a home. The links you posted for rent is misleading, the average rents across the island

      are much lower but still unaffordable for many. Much of the North Shore and the North Fork

      where the farms are located are picturesque.

      Where there is wealth there is graft and corruption. This is not a Long Island phenomenon.

      There is no ideal place to live but there certainly are less expensive places.

    8. I am a native long islander, my mothers family moved from queens to central Islip in 1948 and my dads family moved from queens to ronkonkoma in 1960. When i was a kid Long Island was a wonderful place, beautiful beaches, people were nice, we were all the same, Italian, German, irish, most either worked at Grumman who know someone who did and we were very patriotic. Than, the city sprawl just kept happening, you would hear the city kids newly transplanted bitching about nothing to do. They were rude, acted violently, disrespectful and always doing something they shouldn’t have been like ruining mailboxes and slashing tires. In my world it was those city people who ruined the island along with the over building of homes. It’s depressing there now when I return to visit my mom. I didn’t move far, central New Jersey, but I can tell you that the people in NJ are nicer, calmer, the area where we live still has farms within a few minutes. All of long island farms are gone but I remember them as a kid. It hurts to hear someone say such awful things about my home for 37 years, such hatred in your words. It’s good that you moved to a happier place, but remember, although you had an awful experience Long Island was not just your home it was a lot of others home too. You don’t need to be so nasty, but then you are victim to Long Island as well my dear. You still have the edge. It does wear off, but it takes time. I have lived in NJ since 2007 and I do still revert from time to time, but my edge isn’t what it used to be. You will find it hard to fit in your new place even though you really want to, because you too have the crazy li behavior which is apparent by your rantings. Good luck, God speed.

      1. I haven’t had any issues fitting in, with the exception of trying to mask the stupid accent I have. As soon as I talk it’s a dead giveaway and people start asking me if I’m from New Jersey. Ah well, at least I don’t pronounce Long Island as Long GuuuuUUyland.

    9. Sounds like you are a very negative thinker. I’m from Los Angeles and I can tell you its horrble; the traffic, taxes, high cost of living, people upon people, crazies, wack laws, and did I mention traffic? You wouldn’t survive in LA bud.

      1. I’ve been to LA, and while it suffers from many of the same problems, it’s nowhere close to the psychosis you experience on Wrong Island. You’re an idiot if you think positive thinking can fundamentally transform the inherent nature of a place. Grow up.

    10. This ti the author of the pile of crap I just read. This is the dumbest sh*& ever, u must have been a herb and got tour $% beat tour whole life. I lives here 35 years since the day I was born and in one of the sh%^*ier areas too. I love Long Island, there is no place like it. Florida sucks sooo much worse. Anyway get a life loser

  1. Frank ~ come and join me here in the Cheshire countryside ~ no pollution ….it’s nice 🙂 x

  2. Frank, to quote Ted Cruz, “I hear you have decided to flee New York City and come back to America…” Good call.

    Give Texas a shot.

    1. Eh, Texas is too hot (and humid). I did love Dallas (heck I even loved weirded up Austin), but the non-mountainous landscape and hotter climate doesn’t really suit me.

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  4. I’m getting the vibe that many people are fleeing their own states just to try the ones that others have already fled.

    At least I can thank you, Sir, for steering me clear of all that you hate in life.
    You have done a great service here!

    Now to plan my own pilgrimage to a sane, affordable place of refuge!

    God help us all!

    1. You really have to travel to get a feel for an area and whether it could potentially be called home. That’s why I can say with a straight face that LA (yes, THAT LA) is one of the places I wouldn’t mind moving to. Same deal with Seattle and the Redmond suburbs, where even the rain was pleasant. Once the novelty wears off and you start to objectively access the quality of living of a particular area, it really helps to narrow your options down and concentrate on the best places.

  5. Frank, Chucktown is lovely – yes, it does get hot and humid (but we have air conditioning) and best of all, winter is very short. In fact, just this weekend I began to get my herb planters all ready. (Long Island is pretty much like the Bog of Eternal Stench – been there enough times to empathize with you)

    1. Have you ever been to Travelers Rest or Greenville? That little western pocket corner of South Carolina is an area that interests me, partly because it lies at the foot of the Smokies/Appalachians, and partly because SC is one of the few states that doesn’t tax income AND social security.

    2. I’ve been to Greenville – nice area and gets more “seasons” than the coast; lots of industry there too. Anderson isn’t bad either (home to Clemson Univ); Also – best peaches ever!

    3. I read Greenville has the highest ratio of respiratory infections a year though. Bleh, there’s always something…

    4. You’re right that there’s no perfect place – I think good place to start is what kind of environment you really like. I love living by the ocean, so I can’t imagine living inland again. But I know some people really love the mountains and couldn’t care less about the coast.

      Have you visited this state? I’m a yankee transplant myself (NY/CT) and love being here. Now one of my friends from high school just moved to Colorado (Denver, I’m pretty sure) – hubs got a transfer so off they went; they’d been living in MD for a quite a while now. She’s loving it out there – went skiing last weekend. Good for her – me, I’m glad spring has sprung./

    5. I think I got close when I was in North Carolina but I never crossed the border. Part of it is waiting on what my parents decide to do. They want to stay close (we are the only family we have left) and I understand that, but they’ve also eliminated every area on earth as a viable place to retire. It’s either too cold, too hot, too humid, too dry, too much snow, not enough hospitals, too many people, too many potheads, too many illegals, too flat, too mountainous, too rural, too urban, too landlocked, too many hurricanes, too liberal and yes too conservative (and thus they wouldn’t welcome New Yorkers).

      This is why I’m hoping they come to Colorado with me this fall, since it’s one thing to dismiss a place you’ve never visited out of hand, it’s quite another to actually go there and experience the sensation of never wanting to go back (like I did).

      Regardless of the downsides of Colorado, I keep revisiting it as my best option. Maybe it’s just wishful thinking, but it calls to me in a way that other states don’t (even Tennessee, which I also loved). And being from Long Island, I’ll be happy if I never see another beach again.

    6. I really do understand the part about family. It was my one and only regret about moving. Even now, I wish I could have persuaded them to come here too. And you know, if Colorado is the place you’re meant to be, then maybe that’s where your folks will want to be too – could be that they’re sort of a barometer from God LOL.

  6. You sound like the biggest b**** ever. Go out and get what you want! Stop complaining because you can’t get ahead, it’s your fault not where you live. Your writing is very fairy tail like and you would be better writing about goblins. I wish you luck, I am sorry you and your mom can’t cut it in the real world.

    1. Denis. Granted there is the possibility that people who hate Long Island could be just unhappy in general and has nothing to do with LI, correct? Well, in this particular case it is not the case. He is 100% right. You must be from LI, hence your ignorance.

      I lived in NYC for 20 years. I went to school in Queens, not a single problem in college. Then I moved to Long Island to finish college now on my late early 30s and let me tell you the following:

      1. I have been bullied in school not only by fellow students, but also professors.

      2. I have been totally offended by people who works at doctor’s office (8 out of 10 this happens),

      3. Neighbors spying on you and reporting to the whole place my business. They hated my 1998 car, they complain it hurt their eyes. Can you believe that? If you don’t like my car buy me a new one –jerk. The one neighbor went as far as running my license plates and got all my info. Now can someone tell me how he did that if he is not a cop? I might be missing some website that can do that. Otherwise that was real creepy. This guy considers himself rich, and he does has money (fro his wife).. which leads me to the next one…

      4. There is a lot of ghetto people in long island with money. Get it? No class, but money. People who were at one point poor or without education who managed to put a business in construction, painting, restaurant, etc. And now they have money but no manners, no class and feel entitle to the road is if it was theirs, entitle to the street they live in, the neighborhood they live in… which leads me to the next point…

      5. The constant state of paranoia: If you are from NYC, or any other place. Then you go to any Long Island neighborhood to pick up your friend. Make sure is a quick one, if you stay park outside an residential street for more than 10 min. Someone will call the cops (this is guarantee 90% of the time). I once dropped my boyfriend for a tutoring job he was doing for 46 min. I figured just wait in the car for him while i read a school book i needed to study. After 15 min a guy park next to me, nocked real hard my window and ask me who the ^&*^ i was and what I was doing in his neighborhood. Now, get this, the car I was in was my boyfriend;s car. a 2010 car. So I wasn’t in a car that looked bad or something for him to suspect me. I was so shocked by this man’s balls to be so rude to an stranger and invade my space for no reason I told him I was waiting for a friend and to take a hike! (This was after he as screaming at me). I said LEAVE!!!. I got out of the car, and the little rat took off in his car— that was odd and violent for no reason at all…But the little psycho went and called the cops after he left. He told them (LIES) that I was there for 3 days. That for 3 days the car was there and probably lied I had drugs. The cops came 5 min later after he left telling me what he said (that the car was there for 3 days) I said, “officer that individual who called lied to you.” I have been here only 25 min waiting for my boyfriend who is tutoring an student in this house i’m park in. Regardless, I still had to show my identification and it was really unpleasant… which now leads me to my next point..

      6. The hate inside the hearts of most Long Islanders are made of pure evil. See people in NYC could be rude to you out of stress and is nothing else, everyones moves on quick. In long island, people get to dislike you for no other reason that you not been from here. Even when you are white, they still attack you and with a plan to do whatever it takes to hurt you and DESTROY YOU!!! They will make it their lives mission to totally lie, make up stories about you, discredit your character and finally exterminate you. I know what you think, “if i do things right, don’t bother no one, not break the law, and smile there is not reason to be targeted.” WRONG: Long Island is the BULLY LAND! The bully goes any where, schools, work place, stores you shop in, and so on. Now with exception of major retail stores, shopping sometimes can be an ok or a bad experience. You go to the mall and like the owner of this blog said: you can have a good day one day, and the next someone attacked you for no reason. LIke for example: I went to the mall and one store was neutral, but the next store this person totally buzz killed my happy time in the mall by being real nasty to me for no reason. FUNNY NOTE: I sometimes do call them in their rudeness and I treat them like mental patience and I say to the nasty rude person, “are you ok? Oh you are having a hard day aren’t you? you seem stress!” Im sure that you didn’t mean to be rude to me.” Lol they said nothing back, but a lot of times they do change their tone. Other times I just snapped on them and I get as nasty as they get and they just run away. Crazy place is making me cray.

      5. The way you dress is the way you get treated. Trust me being clean and nice clothes that match LOL is not enough. You have to have brand clothes, and you better have a BMW, LEXUS, MERCEDES if you want to be treated at least a little less inhumanly in Long Island. We once rented a nice fancy car, and people were still staring at us with that typical attitude that says: ” im looking for something that is wrong with you to unleash my anger and hate at you.” But once they see nice clothes, white people, nice car. They do look at you with envy. So this is when I realized natives in long island are insecure about who they are– they have low self steam, hence the need for showing up materialistic stuff and anger they have inside because they are not happy with themselves, and how they treat each other because these crazy basters are nasty to their own kind. lol

      I can keep posting all the s%^& I have been through and this is only in 2 years I have been here.

      Did this happen to me when I live in other states or the tons of year I live in NYC? Nooo rarely. This is every other day!!! As soon as I graduate. I will leave. I’m now suffering from anxiety and little depression. Your blog made me feel so good. I was going crazy. I tried everything to make people stop being so nasty to me, and no matter how hard I tried no much changes. I keep asking me what is wrong with me. I never had this problems before. SO there is your answer Denis, no it is not people, it is LONG ISLAND PEOPLE who are behave like red necks. Actually people in the south behave better than Long Island people.


      Several US states in including Seattle, LA, Madrid, Florida, Georgia, few months in France, and one summer in Mexico and let me tell you: Long Island has been the worse experience I ever had when it comes to people. All i want to do is stay home to avoid the craziness.

      Go ahead insult my spelling. If you do then you are what we say you are: a naive from long island who is rude and a heater. I speak 3 languages. I have a world view and I’m qualify to make this statement: If you are smart RUN OUT OF WONG ISLAND!

  7. I’d love to visit New York someday, but I don’t think I’d want to live there. I’m a Pennsylvania native, but moved to Tulsa when I was 9. I love the Summer in the East with the cool evenings, but the winters in OK are much easier to bear. The Summer in OK is pretty cruddy. If you consider Colorado, Denver is great, but I bet you’ve been there.

    1. Denver is a great city, but I love the area in Colorado Springs more, and its closer proximity to the mountainside (and Pikes Peak). There’s also the other side of the Colorado mountains ranging from Durango to Montrose. Outside of Denver it’s hard to pick a spot that has a good combination of modernity and yet rustic appeal.

    2. if people are living with their parents they should have degrees by now to afford to live on their own. Long islanders who feel this way are lazy and negative. Life is what you make of it.. I’ve never seen so many people who just weren’t taught manners and that comes from home….spoiled kids and mouths on adults that make them look and sound ignorant. You have choices in your life you can either choose to blend in with stupidity or grow up! Really!

      1. What? Just… what?

        Last I remember, I think the average college debt load after graduating 4-year college was $30,000. Combine that with rent prices (and I’m being generous here) at say $1,500 a month, along with a salary typical of an entry-level job and you’re still somehow suggesting that graduates should easily be able to afford this? We’re not even getting into utilities, car loans, insurance, other bills, etc.


        I mean sure, I guess most LIers can live on their own right after college, if they were A) RICH or B) Getting financial assistance from their parents, which sort of cancels out the living independently thing, or C) share a studio apartment (and a car) with 5 other people.

    3. I bet Melissa thinks trickle-down economics wasn’t yanked out of some white guy’s hairy %%% trolololol.

  8. Oh, and I thoroughly enjoyed this post. I laughed, I cried from laughing (okay, not really); it was completely entertaining. I feel bad saying this because Long Island is clearly a source of misery for you, but this was really a great post.

  9. I hear ya. Came across this while I was trying to figure out if I should move to NYC from Long Island. I agree with most of what you said. There are a lot of moody crazies here and they all do stick together like a sick clique of Michael Kors and dance music loving losers. I have been all over the world and refuse to believe that this is all life has to offer me. If you are different or think outside of the long island box, you get criticized. It was interesting to read the mental institution bit. I had no idea and that’s puts things into perspective. I remember when some huge mental health hospital closed in the eighties due to a mental health law passed by Reagan; we had a huge amount of crazies walking around all over the streets. And then there are the drugs. So many people on heroin and prescription drugs here. I am sure that could be true anywhere but that could partly explain the hot and cold crap. That coupled with a fear to never leave this place and the influence of all the other crazies. One big closed clique. Thank u. This was great. I wish u luck on getting out of here. Please wish me some.

  10. I can totally relate to most of what you described. My wife and I moved from Northern California to Long Island for a year because of a job. So we lived in Selden (next to Centereach in Suffolk County). Primarily, we were open and have considered living in Long Island for the long term, IF we’d like it… However, it didn’t take too long for us to realize that Long Island is indeed straight out ugly, overrated, backwards, and an overpriced mediocrity at best.

    Let’s start off with the people, the residents – the “Long Islanders”. The easiest way of knowing them is on the road – as drivers! As soon you get on a busy street, or on any Long Island highway, it’s very noticeable; most are unruly drivers. They easily honk you for the littlest, or sometimes for unknown reasons. They’re impatient and hostile, especially on the road. You’d see accidents almost everywhere, anytime! Their unpredictable driving behavior causes majority of accidents. Especially, on major highways such as 495 or 347, everyday! People are uptight and flat out rude! That’s something we’re not used to, especially for people like us who were from California.

    We’re from Sacramento (the state Capital), a beautiful, very decent, quite busy, but relaxed big city. Sacramento is slightly overshadowed, as compared to other big cities in California; San Francisco, Los Angeles, San Diego, Oakland, and San Jose. You see, California has many “A-list”, or “all-star” cities, so-to-speak, that Sacramento, a big major city seems to look mediocre. But bring Sacramento to Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Delaware, Maryland, Connecticut, or even to New York State, let’s say, and the city will stand out! People would find it as a gorgeous and a lovable place to live and settle (at least compared to Long Island, Albany, Buffalo, Dover, Philadelphia, Trenton, or even Hartford).

    Californians are much nicer and more polite in comparison. Generally, our driving attitude and skills are different; we are predictable, consistent, patient, considerate, and we give way! We don’t honk if it can be avoided. But that doesn’t mean we’re pushovers on the road! Remember, we drive on the world’s fastest and the best coordinated highway system everyday. Enforced by the country’s greatest State police, the iconic, California Highway Patrol, or “CHiPs” (just as the 70’s TV show)! So we know how it is to drive assertively when necessary and to live life in the fast lane!

    If you live in California, you’re used to the true high standards of living and the genuine kindness that you’ll NEVER find in Long Island. And I may have to agree with you saying that you’d sometimes find friendlier people in New York City than in Long Island. Maybe because of the cultural maturity, diversity, and openness of the people from New York City — mostly educated and cultured residents, immigrants, and tourists. While, most of the obnoxious New Yorkers in the past have, either relocated, or has retired in Long Island, keeping to themselves just like Scrooge.

    While some Long Islanders may reasonably brag about the beaches out there, I can agree with that. Long Island may have the Hamptons on the south shore, but that’s about it! In California, it’s a matter of fact, we have the best coast and beaches, such as; Malibu, Long Beach, Oceanside (San Diego), the Orange County coast of Southern California. Let’s include; Monterey, San Simeon, San Luis Obispo, Moro Bay, etc. in the central coast, and I can go on and on – not mentioning that long beautiful coastal scenic drive! And I’m just talking about the coast and beaches, don’t forget we have the beauty and variety of the major iconic cities in the world. In northern California, such as the San Francisco Bay Area, Oakland, San Jose/Silicon Valley (the world’s tech hub), all the way to Napa Valley, and eventually to Lake Tahoe (if you miss the snow). With all the wideness and openness of Southern California, cities such as; Los Angeles (Hollywood, Beverly Hills, etc.), Anaheim (Disneyland, and other theme parks, etc.), Orange County to San Diego for some surfing! California is the only U.S. State where you can surf and ski (and more) all on the same day! Yup, for just an hour drive east of Los Angeles are the alps of Big Bear! Again, that’s all a matter of fact! I know individuals in my life, who live in Long Island for some time, who are proven delusional, out of touch, and in need of psychiatric reality check. They firmly believe Long Island is the center of the universe. The greatest and the only perfect place ever created! Unfortunately, they will continue believing this to their dying breath! Ha ha ha!

    However, unlike Long Islanders (who mostly don’t even go to New York City), we, Californians don’t choose to be stuck in a place — we love to travel! We educate ourselves by travelling! We learn and appreciate new places, meet new people, learn their cultures, try new things, like food, etc. We explore our beloved Golden State, as well as the surrounding States! We love to drive on our widest freeways, and why not?? If you live in a beautiful State such as California, why wouldn’t you?? We are pretty much a happy bunch of people here, having a proud sense of belonging and appreciation. We’re relaxed and we simply enjoy life – we’re never hostile people! We may drive fast at times, but it’s all for fun, enjoying the great weather on convertibles cruising (not cursing) our widest freeways – not necessarily rushing to work or somewhere — we simply enjoy! We are deeply proud of our cities and State, and not because it’s printed on a shirt, or on a beer mug, like, you’d buy from a souvenir shop at Times Square, or somewhere, but to the truest essence.

    One thing that really has left a bad taste on us is the rudeness. People seem to have an underlying anger disorder. It’s like a person with a barely average appearance. Once that person is rude to you, suddenly he/she turns ugly inside out. All of a sudden, you’d see everything ugly and negative about that person. That’s Long Island to me personally, and I can’t emphasize it more! The people there, they just don’t like each other! They’re unkind and unfriendly to one another, whether it’s on the road, in a grocery store, at a parking lot, or even while on a train. So when people are rude to you, you become rude to them as well, as a reaction. It’s hard not to, as it’s a natural interactional behavior. Unfortunately, slowly you become one of them – which isn’t good at all! That’s the worst part. Rudeness begets rudeness. Thus, the song that goes like, “Live once in New York, but leave before it makes you hard…”, something like that. So if you want to raise your child to be happy, polite, and enriched with a positive disposition, this isn’t a place for you. So, no wonder, who ever I talked to, every time I said, “I just moved here from California”. They’d give me this certain look, like I’m nuts, or something, and in response, with the look of dismay on their faces, they’d counter, “Really? Are you serious?? Why???” — in that order! Then soon, they’ll start asking me questions about California, describing what they only saw on magazines, TV, or in the movies. It’s sad.

    On the positive side, if there’s one thing from New York (or Long Island) that I wished I can bring home with me to California, it’s the authentic New York pizza! Simply the best, as I don’t need to elaborate. However, as awesome as the pizza is in Long Island, there’s this lack of good variety of restaurants. So even if there’s an abundance of diners (probably every 5 miles), which, they are all essentially just the same! You have to go all the way to New York City and go through the city’s hustle and bustle to dine in a very impressive variety and culturally diverse restaurants. Some restaurants in Long island may be very good to the locals, but not for us — they’re actually just mediocre at best. Sometimes you’re better off eating commercial; TGIF, Cheesecake Factory, etc. than local — at least you know what to expect. Again, that is if you’re used to the high California standard you get locally, especially in Sacramento, San Francisco, Los Angeles, San Diego. …And I’m not even talking about “Viva Las Vegas”, which is in the neighboring state of Nevada. Don’t even get me started… That’s another good reason to live in California, it’s the accessibility and the awesome desert road trip to Las Vegas! But that’s a completely different story, and I don’t want to entice you even more.

    In the past, I often visited New York City, including the beautiful up-State NY area, like Westchester, Whiteplains, etc., and of course, Long Island (both Nassau and Suffolk Counties). In fairness and with all honesty, I was highly impressed of Long Island back then. But I was just a visitor, and had never lived in L.I., unlike recently. So, over the years, I’ve noticed the big difference – Nassau County has become so congested, has increased its traffic, and has become dirty, as it slowly is becoming just like Queens! While Suffolk County has deteriorated! Man, businesses are closing and moving out! I drove around a lot, as part of my job. I met customers and clients in businesses and in residences. I noticed businesses in Smithtown, Brookhaven; Selden, Centereach, Patchogue, Port Jefferson, Bohemia, etc. are in bad shape. Along with that, most towns carry such unhappy demeanor. You’d see many empty business units for rent and are closing down. Some buildings and establishments almost look condemned. It’s just pathetic! You can also include the increase of homeless people around. Again, this is Suffolk County, supposedly one of the richest Counties in the country, and the County where the “Hamptons” are located! It’s just unbelievable!

    The future isn’t quite optimistic at all, as the students from Stony Brook University aren’t actually from Long Island. They’re from New York City, and some are from surrounding states like, NJ, CT, PA, DE, etc. They are there ONLY for the education! It’s highly unlikely that they’ll find a job and settle in Long Island (maybe a minority will), but majority will relocate to more promising cities and states, like California (Silicon Valley, SF, LA, etc…), Seattle, Washington DC, Boston, or other cities. The same can be said about the students of Suffolk County Community College. I recall, when I worked as a business manager, I attended the Smithtown Chamber of Commerce meetings. So, I had the chance to hear Suffolk County Executive, Steven Bellone talk about some very serious concerns of the community; on how to create businesses and opportunities, thus preventing businesses from closing or leaving the County, eventually impacting the local economy. Another was the decreasing of the County’s population, and how to prevent Stony Brook University and Suffolk County Community College graduates who simply relocate to other states due to the lack of opportunities, not just in Suffolk County, but in the entire Long Island. So in a nutshell, Suffolk County’s future is in serious trouble.

    I have to admit, New York City is the greatest city in the world! An iconic global power city! The cultural and financial capital of the world, but it doesn’t mean it extends to nearby conservative Long Island (which is literally just next to New York City). Progress just stops in New York City, and doesn’t spread out east. This is definitely a mystery to me. Though New York City has a significant global impact on fashion, media, commerce, and finance, California on the other hand, is a world leader on multiple industries; leisure and recreation (San Diego; Zoo, SeaWorld, Orange County beaches, Anaheim; Disney theme parks), cultural arts (San Francisco & Los Angeles), agriculture (central California), entertainment (Los Angeles/Hollywood), research, and information technology (San Francisco Bay Area – San Jose/Silicon Valley)! Indeed making California the world’s 8th largest economy (largest in the US), and the number one tourist destination in the world! We almost have everything in California; Hollywood, the hi-tech/IT industry (which practically the whole world is simply benefiting); Yahoo, Google (YouTube, Android), Apple, FaceBook, Twitter, HP, Oracle, etc. — even the adult porn industry, naming a few. California’s economy is even bigger than that of Canada’s. This makes it the greatest and the richest State in the union, as it has always been. Considering California’s setbacks in recent years. Wall Street is nothing without California’s industries. California always is America’s future: wherever California goes, the United States goes. Just as simple and as real as that! California may not have the Whitehouse, Wall Street, Microsoft, BOEING, Detroit’s auto industry, and NASA, but that’s alright. California doesn’t necessarily want to monopolize the world, which somehow it already has, so-to-speak. ; >

    And let’s talk about sports? Well, uh, forget about it. What is there to talk about? I bet every Long Islander sports fanatic is simply embarrassed talking about their favorite team sports. It’s a matter of fact that every Long Island favorite team sucks for the longest time, most notably, the New York Mets (MLB), the New York Jets (NFL), and the New York Islanders (NHL). The New York Knicks (NBA), though they suck big time too, is more of a New York City team than it is Long island. These teams have been all horrible! It’s such a shame that New York has two (2) representing teams for every professional sport, and yet most of them suck, with the considerable exemption of the Giants, Nets, Rangers and the Yankees, that are known to be New York City/up-state teams. But the Yankees are blemished with that A-Rod controversy, making the team being hated even more nationally. Besides, the Yankees aren’t necessarily loved outside the five boroughs of New York City. The Yankees is what the Cowboys is to the NFL, and what the Lakers is to the NBA – together, they’re the top three most despised professional sports teams in America. I realized, the three most beloved Long Island teams; the NY Mets hasn’t won a world series since 1986, The NY Islanders, though they won four in a row (80-83), they last won the Stanley Cup in 1983, and the NY Jets won its’ first and only Super Bowl in 1969! Such a pity! Those were decades ago! It’s been so long that they seem didn’t happen. The younger generation of Long Island sports fans never knew what winning a championship is like, that they might as well live in Cleveland! But that’s just sports, and I’m a guy. You can’t blame me if I’m used to the winning tradition of the San Francisco Bay Area’s professional sports teams. So, talking smack against other sports teams is just normal, and it’s got nothing to do with how ugly Long Island is… well maybe it has. But the bottom line, I just feel pathetic and hopeless about Long Islanders that even their favorite team sucks as Long Island itself. Maybe that adds up to the everyday grumpiness and hostility, who knows.

    Don’t get me wrong! New York City is AWESOME, particularly Manhattan! However, Long Island is not New York City, let alone Manhattan! Long Island may be better off being its own State. Long Island may not be a bad place to some, especially if one is from a non-sophisticated region of the United States, but certainly NOT if you’re from the mid to high-end region of California! Now, we’re back, and we’re relieved and glad we made the right decision in returning. Though we lived for a year in Long Island, we never missed it – not one bit! Overall, we never had a good experience, and we actually despised it.

    1. Pretty much on the money. My personal love affair with a state happens to be Colorado. Even though I haven’t visited when the weather gets really wild, I’d be hard pressed to find a better place to live. 🙂

    2. Grew up in LA, live on LI.
      Give me LI any day of the week…
      Disgusting, fake, vapid $%^holes.
      Terrible food, horrible music, nice weather.

    3. What a bunch of losers.. Bitching and complaining obviously because they can’t fit in. I’m sure if you decide to move away, no one here will miss you in fact you will be doing us a favor.. All you transplants have crowded our roads and can’t drive to save your lives..No one uses blinkers anymore, and the bad driving wasn’t always like this until the transplants moved in, and the illegal aliens. I also use to take the LIRR to Wall ST,,I have never found LI commuters unfriendly actually its like a big family.. Maybe you took the train on a bad day when delays happen all the time.. People packed into cars like sardines and sometimes with no air..How do expect commuters to react when they are tired and want to see their families after a long day at work and it takes them 4 hrs to get home, because the trains aren’t running on schedule. To the loser who started the Why I Hate Long Island campaign.. Maybe it’s you that can’t fit in, You said your mom couldn’t either, maybe she escaped from the nut house. The apple doesn’t fall far from the tree…and if it’s so bad why are you still here.. I would be gone in a minute if I hated where I lived. You sound like a miserable person anyway blaming the whole Island for your inadequacies .. I wouldn’t want to associate with you either, and so sorry you can’t find a man.. There are plenty in the Middle East that couldn’t care a less what you look like and what you have to say… You will have your face covered anyway. And I do agree with the person who said Long Island should become its own State.. I am so sick of my taxes supporting the filthy free loaders in NYC, and being run by a Democrap Governor. To all who can’t make it on the Island sayonara and good riddance.. There will always be another annoying transplant to replace you.

    4. One day this will just be a waste land with all the chemicals they put in the ground over the years and all the cancer clusters on the island, the only thing that will be left is the Zombie homes and the rich and famous. LOL and the only losers will be the diehard Long guy landers that really can’t afford to move out of their parents basement waiting for them to die so they can inherit the $1000 a month taxes which is all they can afford anyways. So after making it thru my cancer this year and having the luck to buy my house when the market was bottomed out then grieving the taxes like mad I am walking away with a pretty penny in equity SWEET. Fifteen years here and ready for the moving truck to get me out before the water brings my cancer back, good luck all that stay and DON’T DRINK THE WATER. So long waste land and the Bipolar sarcastic Long guy landers see ya.

  11. I came across this post by Googling, “I hate Long Island”. You are so spot on about the place. I lived there for 6 months in the mid-90s and that was about all I could take of the place. My sister married a guy from there, so she’s had the misfortune of living there for quite some time now. I just came back from visiting them for a week. Man, I could NOT wait to get out of there! What a horrid, sad little place.

    1. I just came back from Colorado, the stark contrast in the attitudes and people between Colorado and Long Island hit me as hard as the humidity did.

  12. I suspect in five years or so, Suffolk and Nassau will be applying for ’emergency aid’ from the federal government in order to ‘meet payroll’ and other obligations. The problem is municipal ‘workers’..who really don’t work. Village, town, county, state ‘workers’ who have driven up costs and debtloads to an unsustainable level. This is a disturbing trend that started in the ’80s. Stewing at the success of neighbors who donned a suit and boarded a train every morning to Manhattan, municipal unions banded together to achieve parity-without losing their current 10 minute commute. Binding arbitration became the order of the day as spineless legislatures refused to stand up to he unions and say ‘no’. Municipal worker salaries and benefit packages began their stratospheric asscent. The system, essentially, was hijacked. Long Island used to manufacture aircraft and durable goods. Now we manufacture prima donna cops and teachers. With their dim prevailing intellect, if they weren’t working in that capacity- they’d be stacking peaches and peppers at Stop & Shop. Long Island truly is a collection of low information, poorly educated morons who are desperately trying to cling to the Long Island of the ’50s through the ’80s. Have a question about the Mets, Yankees, fire trucks or professional wrestling? Boy, ask any Long Islander. Have a question about something that truly matters? Save it for someone from Vermont, Manhattan, Berlin or someplace where a thoughtful, educated response is the norm. The moronic Long Islander’s days are numbered. Obsessed with property and propriety, he will soon discover he has neither as cop taxes teacher and teacher taxes cop into oblivion. Only then will he concede that its ‘time for Florida’, take his 3/4 or better pension to Tampa and procede to bitch about how bad things were for him on Long Island. All the while never considering his neighbors back home who had to really ‘work’ to give him his wonderful retirement in sunny Florida.

    1. The line about Mets, Yankees, fire trucks and professional wrestling being the topic of intellectual discourse is hilarious because it’s so true, especially the fixation on wrestling. The low class trashy elements of Long Island is not something I look down at due to a sense of superiority but because I know they can be better than this. They just choose not to be.

    2. Oh aren’t we all hoity-toity…”I only talk about things that matter with sophisticated Manhattan people not silly pleb things like football with the bride and tunnel crowd.” Last time I checked liking or disliking a sports team has nothing to do with intellectual capacity, go $%ck yaself buddy

  13. Wow. Where do I even begin with this? I am also a native Long Islander in my 30s, but after reading your blog I am questioning if we’re even from the same place! I spent my 20s running to the city constantly, assuming that there was no culture or life on Long Island. Now, obviously the city will have much more variety, it’s NYC after all. But there’s plenty to do and see here… if you seek it out. Which is the key. A lot of people get bored because they’re not willing to seek out new things, and just assume there’s nothing except the movies and the mall. Many towns have lots of ethnic restaurants (not just pizza and Chinese food, not that there’s anything wrong with that), museums, funky little shops to explore for hours… but if you’re not paying attention, you’ll just assume there’s nothing but strip malls.

    Speaking of things to seek out… yes, it’s a bit harder to find cool people on Long Island, particularly if you’re single. Many things here are geared for people with kids. But again, if you seek them out, you can find cool, intelligent, fun people with more on their mind than last night’s Yankees game. As far as attitudes are concerned? If *every* person you encounter is rude and obnoxious, the problem might not be the people around you. Just saying.

    Yes, Long Island is quite expensive, I won’t disagree there. And I’ve done the whole apartment hunting thing. Not fun at all. But you’re exaggerating quite a bit, we’re nowhere near the SF cost of living. A $2500/month studio? Unless it’s the size of a warehouse, I think you’re making that up. I’ve never seen a studio (or even a one bedroom) for even close to that amount. The fact that you talk about the Hamptons as if only rich people live there makes me wonder if you actually know anything about Long Island real estate. (Hint: most rich people in the Hamptons are visitors, not full time residents.)

    I hope you find your bliss wherever you seek it, but I also don’t think you’ve been fair to your home. If you do a little research, you might just be pleasantly surprised.

    1. The fact that you have to seek it out should provide a clue as to how bad the climate is. In most other places, I wouldn’t have to walk very far to find the “cool” folks because generally everyone is friendly and easygoing. On Long Island it’s akin to being a tornado chaser. You have to constantly search and be at the right place at the right time.

      As for apartments, these links will probably break once the listing is over, but typical one bedrooms are $2500 to start before we’re even getting into utilities:



      If you’ve never seen those prices, then you’re either being dishonest or you’ve never lived in an apartment complex, which is not what I’m referring to when I mention the price range. The cheaper apartments like the ones listed on Craigslist are not so much apartments as they are a part of someone’s private residence, and they are almost always illegal. When you go further out east, they get cheaper, but that’s because the further out you go, the further away from the city (and the jobs) you get.

      Stop defending the indefensible. For most people, Long Island is simply a horrible place to live.

    2. Born and raised in Suffolk on the south shore. Sure long island has its problems but so does every place. My high school was great my childhood was spent taking the ferry to fire island. I love it here and no i’m not some rich snob who has mommy and daddy’s money. You can find someone to write an article like this about any city, state, town whatever. There will always be people who love a place and others who hate it. Sorry you’re LI experience was so terrible.

      1. I noticed a lot of people who rave about Long Island live out east. I wonder if their experiences would have been the same had they lived in Nassau/Western Suffolk instead?

    3. Thanks for touching on his misaligned and inflated rent prices. Yes, the Avalon is expensive, but if you take the time to LOOK instead of b*&^hing, you would be able to find plenty of places to live within your means. I live in a bedroom/2 bathroom condo(that I rent) on the ocean, with all amenities (pool, shared common room, laundry, gym, dog run, parking garage, concierge) within walking distance to the train, town, nightlife, for under what you think a studio costs. It’s not owned by anyone in my family, or friends before you go that route. And there are plenty of places even less expensive, and bigger, off the ocean.

      1. Any how many of those places are up to code and legal to rent? I’m assuming your condo is north of $2000, which is still insane, and you haven’t mentioned if you’re splitting the rent either, or if you’re paying a lower cost due to having a “special” relationship with your landlord (if ya know what i iz sezzin’). If you’re really are paying that rent though, on your own, and live a comfortable life, then you cannot tell me with a straight face that you are a run of the middle classer.

        I mean sure, I could easily find an affordable apartment in say, Hempstead, if I looked hard enough, but eventually you start to get tired of all the police sirens and the roaches.

    4. Can’t argue with ignorance.. Its obvious those who have lived here can’t get along with people and blame all of LI for their misery. Fools.

    1. Thank you, took a long while before I decided to write this post, but I wanted to make sure I got it all right.

  14. I am a Long Island Native. Left LI in Sept. of 2011 and left with my husband and daughter and head south to North Carolina. We stayed there for 2-1/2 years. We moved back to Long Island just 6 weeks ago. I can’t tell you how much we can’t stand it anymore! Frank (and many others), your blog here is so RIGHT ON! In just 2 years, we have seen how badly Long Island has deteriorated; the traffic, rudeness, filth…all of it. I just can relate so much to this post. We are looking to head straight back to North Carolina at the end of July…approx. 6 weeks from now. Although we didn’t move to one of the top areas of NC when we left, I will go back there in a heartbeat! We have a friend down there who has offered for us to stay with here until we find a new place to rent. I thought that I was a “New Yorker” at heart. Now, I must say, I no longer WANT to be a New Yorker. I am just disgusted by everything here. Long Island has gone downhill in every aspect.

    1. Please forgive my typos…I had such an adrenaline rush and wanted to get it off my chest immediately….

      1. Haha, no problem, let it all out. 😉

        BTW, what part of North Carolina if you don’t mind me asking? Western NC has been one of the areas I’ve considered moving to due to the proximity to the Smokies/Blue Ridge Mountains, or more likely Eastern Tennessee. I’m always curious to see how former NYers adapt to living there and how it worked out for them.

    2. There are a bunch of LIers that have moved down to the research Triangle area – Raleigh, Durham, Greensboro, and Cary (which the locals say stands for Containment Area for Relocated Yankees). They have said that it is a much nicer pace of living, cheaper, and without the LI drama. It is, however, the South. No real winter, lots of heat.

      I moved down to the Northern Virginia area in 1997 when I was 26 for a job in IT and I haven’t (really) looked back. I miss certain aspects of LI (family, beaches, ~60 min train trip to the city, pizza/bagels/delis/etc.) but the reasons why I moved away remain and have grown larger and harder to bear for those who stayed. I am always worrying about my parents – their neighborhood has gone steadily downhill over time and their property value is crap.

      There is no easy answer. 😦

  15. Hi Frank…We were in the southern part of NC; Gastonia. Not the best place (imho). Approx. 30 minutes from the North Carolina border. Went there specifically, ’cause I have a friend who lives in the “nice” part of Gastonia. I would love to take the time to research other areas of NC, but time is pretty much of the essence at this point. Can do more investigation once back down there. I am just so darn disappointed. Did head out to Greenport, Long Island yesterday. But the traffic and rudeness were still quite apparent. Wasn’t as dirty as Nassau & Western Suffolk. I do hear that Tennessee is really nice; Gatlinburg, around that area. Again, wish I had the time to research it. Might do so once re-settled. Heck of alot of moving in 2 months going on here! 🙂 Truth is, my heart is no longer here. Just feel like hopping on a plane at MacArthur….tonight!! lol.

    1. Thanks for replying! I’ve heard mixed things about Charlotte and the surrounding areas, so I guess your mileage will vary. I’d prefer to be as close to the mountains as possible especially in the south, I think depending on your proximity they provide a little bit of temperate cover from the usual southern heat and humidity.

      All things considered though, Colorado would be my ultimate destination. 😉

  16. I cannot agree more. I just graduated from a small suny school in western New York and compared to this dump, it’s a wonderland. Of course, growing up with the ethnocentric attitude that Long Island is the best place in the world next to nyc, I was reluctant to attend this school, located in a small, somewhat rural village, near Lake Erie. Now after 4 years I become more devastated every time I have to leave my paradise to come home to this craphole. And I shouldn’t say home. Where I went to college is my home. It’s a place one can breathe fresh air, see the stars at night, go for beautiful walks, be surrounded by kind human beings, and feel a general sense of well-being at all times. Every time I step off that bus or train arriving back here for break I instantly feel suffocated by a wall of thick, moist, nasty, dirty air. It’s always a great preface for what my mood will be in the coming weeks of break, and an accurate symbol of the overall scum pool this place is. The worst part of Long Island is how proud people are of their “strong island” heritage. Go figure, when almost everyone who lives here grew up in this dump their whole lives and never dared venture anywhere else for more than a vacation. #$%&ing closed-minded, arrogant, privileged #$%&holes people are on this garbage land. I am so glad I found this article and at least someone who lacks STRONG ISLAND pride as much as I do. Living elsewhere, it’s hard not to pity the people here and the boring lives they live, thinking they have it made. I really wish Sandy would’ve sunk the whole thing in the Atlantic Ocean once and for all. Her message was a wise one. Wiping out all those houses along the beaches was her way of saying they shouldn’t #$%&ing be there. It goes to show that in the end nature gets the last laugh, which leads me to my next point. Long Island has some beautiful nature; beaches, ocean, etc. It’s hard to know though, because most of it has been built over with houses and strip malls. A few nice sites remain, including Caumsett State Park, a little slice of heaven that feels like it’s own world. Other than that, even jones beach is polluted by constant human noise and garbage. It’s heartbreaking to see the place becoming more rowdy and grimy all the time. Last time I checked, a beach is a beach. Go to the club to party. The last and most despicable aspect of this place is the people; trashy, arrogant, unfriendly, and as you put it so accurately, downright crazy. Get out while you can. I am doing everything in my power to make sure I don’t have to be here for more than another year.

    1. It’s a shame because I always say I hate New York, but it’s really the island I hate, while I love the city and upstate. if it wasn’t for the state taxes I’d probably carve out a place to live near the Adirondacks myself. Some beautiful country there.

      If you’re near Lake Erie you should take a trip across the border into Pennsylvania to visit Allegany Park. Some really nice scenery from what I hear.

      Good luck to you as well!

  17. It’s actually heaven compared to suburban Detroit, which is inhabited by cannibals.

    1. I heard two cannibals were eating a clown in Detroit. One of them said to the other, “This taste a bit funny to you?”

    2. As someone who is neither from long island, nor detroit, but has lived in both for long enough to speak from experience: long island is far worse than detroit. Detroit at least is gritty and has character and the people are good to each other and have personalities. Long island residents were long ago placated into idiocy by their starbucks and outlet malls.

      1. Ever watch the show Detroit 1-8-7? I think it’s still available on Netflix. Excellent show, and filmed on location too.

  18. I’m a life-long native Long Islander as well. I have lived in Connecticut, NYC, North Carolina and Florida but I’ve spent the vast majority of my life on the South Shore of Suffolk county. I’m very well traveled and I have to say, the more I travel, the more I come to appreciate everything that Long Island has to offer. It sounds as if you’re looking at it through an extremely negative lens. The only thing I agree with is the dismal housing options for young, single professionals, but other than that, everything in this blog is very distorted and negative. There are bad and good people everywhere. At least Long Island doesn’t have rednecks like the rest of the country does!! The beaches and parks are truly amazing, there are unparalleled boating options and endless, beautiful bays and harbors. There are farms, wineries, quaint little towns, wonderful places to fish, kayak, surf, clam, sail, pick fruit, go horseback riding….etc. How much time have you honestly spent on Fire Island or in Montauk or the Hamptons? Fire Island is pure magic!!!! While some may call it “crazy” or “neurotic,” I personally appreciate how blunt and honest Long Islanders are. I prefer that to the sugar-coated pretentious attitudes that can be found elsewhere. I have spent the vast majority of the past decade commuting to NYC, and I have to say that I truly love how I can be in Manhattan in about an hour and then be transported to another, quieter, more quaint universe when I come home at night. I know I’m in the minority (and this statement may cause me to be labeled as one of your “typical Long Island crazies”, but after doing so much traveling, I have really come to love and appreciate the LIRR!! Most other suburban areas in this country simply do not have the public transportation options that Long Island does. Most of my friends have struggled with challenging housing situations (living with roommates, family…etc),throughout their 20s and early 30s but are all finally at a place, financially, where they have purchased their own homes. None of them fit your bi-polar criteria as they are not wealthy or poor and did not have any help financial help from their parents since college.

    I’m sorry that your experience with Long Island has been so negative. Perhaps you might consider looking at yourself, rather than blaming your inner unhappiness on Long Island because you sound like the type of person who will never experience true happiness and the unshakable inner peace that comes with it.

    1. Eh, it’s like they say, one man’s trash is another man’s treasure, yadda yadda yadda…

      I do agree that Fire Island (and Montauk) are beautiful places, but I’ve already noted that there are beautiful places here, it’s just offset by the massive ocean of humanity that makes it an ordeal just to get to them. You always have to time your excursions around traffic patterns, otherwise the stress of getting to one particular place supersedes any hope of having a good time and relaxing.

      To say nothing of the insane number of people infesting the parks on weekends, you also have an unprecedented concentration of ticks and other icky bugs that are more concentrated here than anywhere else in the country.

      I don’t see how you could call Long Island quaint though unless you live somewhere east of Shirley (or maybe Oakdale). That far out east I could begin to see a little of what Long Island used to be, but much of it is too congested, loud and perversely chaotic otherwise. Some people can get past all that and appreciate what LI does have to offer, but I’m not one of them.

    2. Suffolk is definitely quieter and in my opinion, nicer and less chaotic and congested than Nassau. All those quaint little towns are great but they are either out in Suffolk or on the north shore and the most expensive areas in the world to live. Go upstate, and you’ll find quaint, small towns with beautiful old houses and not have to be filthy rich to live there. Same with the parks; mostly either in Suffolk or on the north shore. I’ve only ever experienced that quiet, quaintness on occasional trips but the environment I grew up on on a day-to-day basis is not like that at all. Imagine yourself living in Nassau (not the insanely wealthy parts) and maybe you’ll understand why people complain

    3. LINY Totally agree.. I was actually shocked to hear how many people hate Long Island and it people. It is very expensive to live here I totally agree about that, but attacking people for no reason who haven’t done a thing to them is horrible. What does it say about them.. Long Islanders are family oriented, and will explain why many of the natives never leave.. I lived here my whole life and the only thing that will make me leave is if the taxes continue to rise I will no longer be able to stay, but otherwise I am here for good, and proud to be a Long Islander, and for a place that is so much hated by many why do so many people continue to flock here even with the high taxes. I am guessing its those who criticize are the ones who don’t fit in.

      1. Long Island is experiencing a decline and migration of its younger demographics:

        Young adults are leaving Long Island and are never returning, an official said. As a result, Nassau's population will decline by 3 percent over the next decade: http://nwsdy.li/1F0yqGwPosted by Newsday on Tuesday, November 18, 2014

        Only ones staying behind are the ancient hags who have nothing better to do but make idiotic comments on blogs about how great Long Island is. Let me guess, you posted this comment from the nursing home right? Isn’t it time for your sponge bath?

  19. Yes u are rite. People here are hot and cold. It’s all about appearances and they do not speak the truth. Not to mention that it’s one of the most segregated areas in the United States. They don’t know how to enjoy life because they do same thing day after day sticking to their routine and wasting their lives. About time someone spoke up.

    1. They’re basically all low class and mostly white trash. And when I say class I’m not talking about money. You can have money and still be white trash. That’s the irony of it all.

      1. LOL

        I find it surprising that it would take guts to air my views about LI though. Most people I talk to here tend to start nodding their heads in agreement when I launch into another one of my anti-LI screeds. Even back in college it was the same way, with even life long natives telling me it must be something in the water.

  20. You are absolutely correct. Long Island is the worst place I have ever been it is expensive for no good reason. I have traveled all over the world and the people in Long Island are the bottom of the barrel. Rude, stupid, cheap and racist especially north shore i.e. Manhasset, Great Neck. Some have money but they act like they are something special when they are not. I was around money as I lived in the Midwest but was not arrogant and racist as these long islanders. It is nice to know that other people hated long island as much as I do. As soon as you cross the bridge to get out of long island people start normalize. When I first came to this god forsaken island I felt like Jack Shepard from Lost ” where the h*** have I landed.” To all those who can escape leave now long island is absolutely miserable!!!!

    1. Funny thing, I’ve sometimes compared LI to the island in Lost. At least we don’t have any polar bears. >_>

  21. I don’t know how anyone can take anything you said here seriously. You are obviously very jaded and depressed person if all you look at is the negative side of things. I’m an introvert too and experienced nothing of what you speak of, and I have worked in retail for over 15 years so I do see people at there worst. Maybe if you put out a positive happy vibe the feeling would be reciprocated. You are what is wrong with Long Island. Too many people that don’t want to be here and they know how to do is complain about it. Maybe if you left it would make it better for everyone else. Rather than complaining about being here, move away to some place you actually like (which will most likely be no where if all you do is look at the negative). Grow up and leave rather than staying around and complaining about a beautiful place that has more opportunities than most other places in the world

      1. I prefer to think of it as being afflicted with the virulent disease of Long Islanditis, and the only cure is to move.


      1. Ur just retarted and reallyyyyyyyyyyyyyy need to probably get a job, a life off the computer and most likely video games, a chick that would want to be with the guy who sat in the corner of the lunch room or guy maybe you swing the other way….who knows or cares NOBODYYYYY CARESSSSS THIS S**T KEEPS POPPING UP IN MY EMAILLLLL GO OUTTTTTT GO OUTSIDEEEE GO WORKKKKKKK GO AWAYYYYYYYYY GET OFF THE ISLAND LEAVE UGLY F***!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GEEZZZ YOU F****ING LOSER!!!!!!!!!

      2. Um, that’s what happens when you subscribe to my posts. If you don’t want to see them, there’s a little thing called “UNSUBSCRIBE” under each email notification you get. This ain’t hard.

    2. Totally agree Greg..I noticed Franks commented on every post.. Seems he’s the one with the boring life otherwise why is he here bashing every pro Long Island post.. What a loser. People who criticize Long Islanders seem jealous that they can’t make it here, and no one will miss them when they leave. They’re the white trash.. Long Islanders keep their homes nice(except in alien territory) We are family oriented, We have the best schools and most of us work hard for what we got. Those who have only negatives to say are the ones who can’t make it and blame LIers for their failure. Maybe we should feel sorry for these pitiful human beings. They criticize LIers for not wanting to leave it..Why would that matter to them and why would you leave a place you love How much sense does that make?.

      1. Stockholm Syndrome: The weaker minds have come to be pathologically infatuated with the island keeping them hostage. Rather than attempt to leave, they now rationalize by conjuring up silly falsehoods on how gloriously wonderful it is to be a Long Guuuylander, and ferociously attack those who dare attempt to burst that fragile bubble. I surmise someday we will see a new entry in the DSM-IV code: Long Island Syndrome.

  22. I can’t agree any more with what you’ve said here. I lived in queens for the first 23 years of my life before I moved to Long Island. I’m 30 now and in between that I’ve lived in North Carolina for almost 2 years. Long Island is a pretty messed up place, I’m just thankful that I have all my friends in queens because if I had to handout here or make friends out here (which I did for the first year or two I moved out here) I would go absolutely crazy. One day I will leave this sh***y place, but until then I will have to sit back and deal with this #$%^ed up community that in my eyes have probably only left Long Island a handful of times. It’s like they can’t function with other people and have no drive to see the world or new things. Well one again that was very well said and it was a great read! I will be passing this on to all of my FB friends!

  23. I hope wherever you move to, you stop blaming women and your surroundings for your misery. The grass is not always greener.

    Long Island is a great place to live and raise a family. We have excellent schools, low crime rates and we have JOBS.

    I have lived in other states, and nothing compares to Long Island. We can be at a beach in less than 30 minutes from nearly anywhere on the Island. There are people that travel from all over the world to see our beaches.

    Best wishes on finding a job out of state, you’ll never make the salary you do here, anywhere else. Cost of living is relative. Your next apartment may be cheaper, but you’ll be making less money.

    The “struggle is real,” as they say, everywhere.

    Good luck.

    1. The grass may not always be greener, but it’s definitely cheaper! I’ve done the math, and on average you must make at least $20,000 MORE in annual salary to maintain the same standard of living on Long Island. Whatever high salary people earn here is cancelled out by the exorbitant cost of living and the high taxes. You cannot tell me that $2000-$3000 mortgages and $400,000 homes are reasonable. There’s a reason the majority of Long Islanders up to 34 years of age still live with their parents.

      “There are people that travel from all over the world to see our beaches.”

      Ignorance is not an excuse for stupidity. 🙂 I truly hope you weren’t referring to Jones Beach, because if you were you’re either trolling like crazy, or you must actually like sharing one square foot of sand with 5 million other people.

      You want to see real beaches, go to California. (Yes, I’ve been there, and LI beaches are compost heaps in comparison.)

    2. And for the record, the struggle may be real everywhere, but I’d rather struggle in a place where there’s a sense of community and togetherness, room to breathe, and scenery to enjoy, than to share a stuffed up island with the likes of obnoxious dweebs like you.

  24. HA! I love it. Especially your statement about the total destruction of the middle class. We moved to Austin, TX 4 years ago and accomplished more in the first year of living in Austin than we were able to accomplish in 27 years of growing up on Long Island. That says a lot.

    1. Mike, haha, I’ve been to Austin. I hope you’re helping to keep it weird there, as the locals say. 😉

      It’s funny because I read the taxes were a bit higher compared to the rest of the state, but still NOWHERE as bad as here. Maybe I’ll see you guys next time I visit SXSW! 🙂

  25. Hey Frank, did you ever think that you are just a whiny little ^&**^ that thinks he is owed everything? You get a sense of entitlement to express how you hate a place but all it is doing is labeling you as a complainer, Maybe that’s why people are obnoxious to you. Good luck making it elsewhere, you might find a nice meth lab somewhere to work at in the Midwest. Long Island is not the problem it’s you and it hates little p%&&s like you even more..so before you complain about something next time make sure you get your facts straight because half the #%#$ you said is false. Put your big boy pants on and make a change maybe the @%^@$ job that you had? Or the @#%^ area you lived in?

    1. I’m letting this comment through because, LOL.

      Suffolk had 3 meth labs, so if you were thinking Long Island is special snowflakey due to an absence of meth labs, well there goes that theory. Although I do admit meth ain’t that big here, mostly because everyone seems to prefer cocaine instead.

    2. I grew up on Long Island and I’m very happy to say I left that cesspool for northern California waaaay back in ’79 and I ain’t never gonna live there again! Long Island is flat, gray, dismal, ugly, boring, the weather sucks and most of the people there are either clueless chowderheads or angry spirit crushing azzholes. You can have that patch of nasty glacial waste. I’m just glad I didn’t listen to anyone back there who thought I was nuts for leaving. And most of them had hardly been anywhere else! “Hey, all we know is sh&^, so we’ll be happy to live in it!” NOT ME, BUBBIE!!! I’m glad I left that craphole and I hope you get to leave too, Frank. Don’t think about it, juts find your happy zone, pick up and MOVE THERE! Mine is the Bay Area and I’m glad I call it my home now and forever!

  26. I’m from long island none of the information above is correct except for the mental hospitals this article bashes the people of long island some of the biggest stars came from long island such as Billy Joel jerry Seinfeld long islanders are NOT mentally unstable

    1. Based on the grammar of the trolls here I can see Long Island schools are continuing to do their usual bangup jobs educating our future generations.

  27. I wholeheartedly agree with every single thing in this article. I definitely enjoyed reading it, thanks for the good laugh!
    I moved to LI from Greenland when I was 14 because my father got a job there but my gosh it was the biggest culture shock for me. The people were insane and I literally thought everything about that place was a complete crapshoot. That’s literally the only word I can use to describe it, haha. I somewhat enjoyed the warmer weather but that alone still can’t do much justice. Our apartment was insanely expensive and I literally couldn’t get much clothes for warmer weather because we didn’t have much money after all taxes and expenses were paid for. And all the crime! I have never heard so much crime in one day…
    Luckily my parents realised what a mistake it was living here so after 3 years we moved to Denmark, haha. At LI we felt like outsiders and I was always judged for my accent and stereotyped that I lived in an igloo and killed polar bears for a living (or something like that). At supermarkets people asked if my mom was challenged due to the fact that she couldn’t speak much English at the time and that I had to talk in her place. Not cool!! Who even asks things like that anyway??
    Anyway, I’m glad to leave the place. I hope you move away to a place you’ll like better (pssst move to Denmark! :D)

    1. Thanks Vala! Sorry that your family had such a poor experience here, but I’m glad you’re living in a better place now. 😀 I won’t be stuck here forever either, just a few more months to go!

  28. I am originally from Long Island. I live just outside of DC now in Northern VA. What I tell people if they ask me where I am from is that simply…”I was born and raised on Long Island…one day I got lucky and got to escape.”

  29. i agree with you on Suffolk county…….but its not Nassau county.
    But I did leave in 1977………

  30. I completely agree with you Frank! Escaping Long Island is part of my Five Year Plan. I’ll be 50 by then, but better late than never.

  31. 9/11 killed lower New York. NYC because a paranoid 12 year old and Long Island became an overdeveloped ($*%hole with city sh*#*.

    Sooner I can get to Upstate New York or Western Massachusetts for my sanity the better.

    I also congratulate you on having a hatred to the entirety of Long Island on par with my hatred for New York Islanders fans….melodramatic ($*%s.

    1. I can’t decide what’s worse, the perpetual depression of a Mets fan or the insanity of an Islanders fan.

    2. We are saving our glee for when the Wilpons bleed enough financially to sell the team. ; )

      At any rate thanks for the chuckle. This article sums up Long Island sadly all too well….even if a lie that all the girls cosplay as succubus….hue hue.

    3. Ben, well my original pic of a typical LI girl was that of a drunk Lindsay Lohan in a, shall we say, less than flattering pose, but I decided to be nice.

  32. Don’t go around saying “For most people, Long Island is simply a horrible place to live”. What are you basing this off of? All the other people who didn’t have friends in high school that are agreeing with this post? Don’t blame your surrounding for you not being able to make friends.

    As for the Hamptons being “the only place to get away from it all”, you clearly have never been to Manhasset, Garden City, Locust Valley, Hewlett Harbor etc. I’m sure all of the professional athletes and CEO’s that live in these towns can attest to the fact that Long Island is not as “grimy, disgusting, vile, evil, filthy, overpopulated” as you make it out to be.

    Get over the fact that you didn’t have any friends in high school. Get over the fact that you couldn’t find a girlfriend (probably due to the whole no friends thing). While you’re at it, get the $#^$ out of Long Island, I’m sure no one will miss you.

    1. Well aren’t you precious.

      As for the Hamptons being “the only place to get away from it all”, you clearly have never been to Manhasset, Garden City, Locust Valley, Hewlett Harbor etc. I’m sure all of the professional athletes and CEO’s that live in these towns can attest to the fact that Long Island is not as “grimy, disgusting, vile, evil, filthy, overpopulated”…”

      You’re absolutely right, allow me to amend my statement: Long Island is not a grimy, disgusting, vile, evil, filthy, overpopulated place as long as your collective net financial worth is more than most third world countries. Thank you so much for setting me on the straight and narrow. I finally see the light now.

      1. Gotta love how people are defending Long Island as a great place through money and famous people. True bubble mentality inherent of this place.

      2. Baffling, to argue that small enclaves on the north shore belonging to the super rich is somehow proof positive that the rest of the island is totes super awesome too. Did I really just read that?

    2. And I guess since famous athletes and CEOs like it here, it must be a great place. How could I have been so dumb as to argue with the rich and famous!?

    3. Really? You’re the one that said the Hamptons was the only place where you can get away from it all and I was simply pointing out that there is more than one place on Long Island that isn’t grimy or vile. There are many wealthy areas and many poor areas on Long Island, but you probably wouldn’t have made friends in any of the areas based on this post.

    4. Sorry, I tend to have difficulty making friends with people who are insufferable dipsticks. It’s kind of a thing with me.

  33. Frank, have you ever read “Dubliners” by James Joyce? Reading it was my final wake up call, and since then I have been searching for an opportunity to a life outside this bubble we call Long Island. I sure do hope that you become one of the few fortunate ones who finds a permanent way out!

    1. Mic, thanks for the book rec, haven’t read it but you’ve got me curious! (will check it out on Kindle). Hope you find a way out too! Tip: if you’re job searching, the trick is to not mention where you’re from when they ask you. 😉

  34. To each his own. LI is LI. Florida is Florida where the sun fries your brain and your hair! Colorado is full of druggies driving down one way streets cause they are too stoned to know where they are going.
    NC is back country and unless you are born there, you don’t fit in.
    You can say all you want about LI. Your comments are your comments.

  35. Do you know anything about Bipolar Disorder? This line makes the writer come off as the ignorant one… —> “Long Island natives have an unusual proclivity for bipolar behavior, a reality that made my time growing up here a less than pleasant one. Hot one day, cold the next.”

    1. I’m not a psychologist, but here’s the definition of Bipolar Disorder:

      “Bipolar disorder, also known as manic-depressive illness, is a brain disorder that causes unusual shifts in mood, energy, activity levels, and the ability to carry out day-to-day tasks…” http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/topics/bipolar-disorder/index.shtml

      This is exactly the BEHAVIOR I see in Long Islanders around me, so how is it ignorant? I’m not making a clinical diagnosis here, I’m observing behavior, and what I see clearly seems to fit that definition. Sometimes a spade really is a spade.

    2. You, sir, seem to be quite the idiot. How is it possible to group more than seven million people as this? I could take any city I’ve lived in, focus on the absolute worst things that happened to me there, and write a scathing article. Grow up and move on, please.

      1. You know I’m wondering: is it the constant herpes outbreaks that always put you otherwise fine LI ladies in such a foul mood?

  36. Aside from the offensive comments about “craziness,” which the number of asylums is most likely a direct result from living outside of a populated city…. I’m also a LI native and I’ve lived elsewhere in the world and completely understand where you’re coming from. At the same time, I am forever grateful.

    When it comes to the luck of the womb, we won. The cultural collision of ungrateful “natives” and immigrants has definitely created a bizarre cocktail of pride, entitlement and confusion. Sometimes it’s interesting but for the most part…. it’s not cute, I get it. I despise materialism and superficiality.

    At the same time, I’m about to pack up and move to a third world country for over two years in a few weeks and the thought alone makes me that much more grateful. There are beautiful areas on the island. Check out the state parks, hiking trails, beaches, wineries, planting fields arboretum….

  37. You really should think about if it is the Long Island natives or just you. Maybe you, and people like you are the problem. If you don’t like where you live, move. Not one insane Long Island native is asking you to stay here. You are a native and it’s unbelievable that you have not one nice thing to say. You grew up with a beach not 10 minutes away from you no matter where you are, beautiful sunsets, great night life, and million of things to do. Don’t take out a bad childhood on the place you grew up.

    1. You really should think about if it is the Long Island natives or just you.

      Ok, let me think about it… nope, it’s the natives.

      I did say Fire Island was nice somewhere upthread, so there’s that.

      I also don’t get the naivete in believing that people can just pick up and leave if they don’t like it here. Uprooting a family, securing a new job/career change and putting down roots elsewhere is not as easy as it sounds.

  38. You and I must have grown up on different Long Islands. I’m 30, born and raised in Oakdale and Sayville, have traveled all around the world (I’m a musician by trade, have done lots and lots of touring) and the more I’ve traveled away from home (I live in Brooklyn now, kinda sorta technically still LI) the more I appreciate it. I grew up clamming and fishing and surfing and boating, spending summers on Fire Island (which, contrary to what you claim, was/is never crowded, which is what I like about it), camping at Hither Hills or West Hills or Bear Mountain or Ten Mile River…I made great friends in the LI music scene who are still my buddies to this day and are good people. Yes, traffic sucks. It sucks in every part of the world where there are a lot of people. Ever driven around in Athens or Shanghai or London or even Atlanta? WAY worse. I’m sure I will not change your mind about how you feel and you’re entitled to it but man, hating some place that has a lot going for it if you just change your perspective a bit must take a lot of energy.

    1. I’m glad you’ve had a good life here, and for those who are REALLY into the water, I’m sure people will find more to love about LI.

  39. Long Island’s tourism slogan should be “A Terrible Place.” As a native New Jerseyan I wish people would stop with the negative NJ stereotypes and redirect them to LI where they belong. Also you’re totally spot on with the bipolar nature of the people. I dated a girl from Long Beach and there was no way to know how she’d be feeling one day to the next.

  40. Worst part about Long Island is that neighbors can live down the street from you and you have no idea what their names are. This new family moved into a house on my block a few years back. Whenever my mom would go out for a walk in the morning, she’d try saying hi to them and they didn’t even acknowledge her existence.

    That’s the overall feel of the place, people are way too focused on making friends/acquaintances with those who have something to offer them. If you don’t have anything for me to care about, then I’m not gonna care about you. I bet if my family saved that family from their house burning down, they still wouldn’t befriend us.

    Even the people that you know. If you aren’t directly associated with something in their life, you become a complete stranger to them. I’d see people going out for bagels in the morning that I knew from playing soccer or baseball (parents mostly) and we wouldn’t even acknowledge that we had a past. Just like the author, I’m pretty introverted by nature but I bet things would of been different had I grown up elsewhere.

    Now I live in Connecticut. It’s a step up but not by much. At least the people here make an attempt at being friendly. Most are pretty simple minded, but ever since moving into my condo I’ve made acquaintances with most of my neighbors. And from that I know I can trust living around them while that wouldn’t be the case on Long Island.

    Long Island is materialist, rude and devoid of warmth and comfort. The only redeeming quality is that it’s close enough to the city where the food is still pretty good and for the most part there are places to eat that don’t feel typical of the peninsula. I think that’s it. It’s not even an island. it’s a goddamn peninsula. There’s your answer to the most complicated place in America, it can’t even define itself correctly so how the hell do you expect the people to be sane?

    1. That’s one telling thing outsiders aren’t aware of about Long Island. I had a friend who was visiting out of state and happened to mention having relatives in Massapequa. One of the locals knew someone there and went, “Oooooh, do you know XXXXXX??” Not realizing there’s like, 5000 people per square foot here, LOL. It isn’t merely the rudeness, the sheer mass of people just makes it impossible to have that sense of tight-knit community people in other areas of the country sometimes take for granted.

  41. Long Island is a cultural vacuum. Good luck finding any night life besides tribute bands, dance clubs and sports bars. but I think that statement can be made about pretty much anywhere in the US aside from major artistic centers. While were at it, I say the whole US sucks ass. It’s basically barbaric the way the people let the government treat them.

    1. LOL, I agree with that regarding LI (obviously) but I haven’t seen that in a lot of the cities I’ve visited around the country, each with their own particular blend of culture and awesomeness.

  42. I am the first person to complain about Long Island and I often do. That said, it comes down to focus. The people you surround yourself with and what you choose to engage in. I can think of plenty of other places which are far worse. As for L.I., yeah, it’s expensive, culture thrives only in pockets where you can find it, no nightlife to speak of, everything is a long car drive away, etc.. At the same time, it offers a thirty minute ferry ride to Fire Island which is another world onto itself. Also I can bike to the ocean, take a train into Manhattan all in the same day.

  43. Ah, another Long Islander who understands. It’s nice to read someone else’s thoughts on this island who are in the same predicament . I hope you find you find a job off this island and can finally move away from this place we are forced to call home 😉

    By the way, not everyone is terrible. Just about 95% of the population. There are few, genuine & selfless people who still care for one another here .

  44. Left LI in 2007 and never looked back.

    yes I was 32 and living with my parent still.

    But after getting married – we made a plan. One of the Two of us gets a job in a state that can support both of us and that give us time for the other to find a job.

    My wife landed a job ASAP in Indiana. We moved here 4 months later. Bought our first house for 8K down and $1000 a month. Sold that house a few years later and bought a house Twice as large for only 60K more than we bought the first one for.

    I ended up getting lucky and was offered a Xfer with the same company I was about to leave.

    So things were good till the Obama Administration killed my house value in 2009 and I lost my job at the same time. My Wife has not had a raise in 3 years. But we are still here and happy to be away from LI NY.

    I miss my friends and the way life on LI used to be as a teen and 20 something, but LI is what this article describes and I was one of those people and still have some of those qualities still here and people look at me like I am nuts.

  45. If you are so biased and hateful it’s good to see you want to leave. Maybe Long Island will get a little better once you’re gone. I too have been all over the country and very few areas have it any better and many are far worse.

  46. I think you’d start to hate any place if you felt stuck there, it’s not fair to say that its Long Island’s fault.

    There are different and better beaches than the Hamptons, other less congested roads than the LIE and better people than the ones you didn’t like in high school. It’s all about perspective and keeping an open mind.

    Some days Long Island can really feel like an island that you’re dying to escape, but visit a beach like Lido West or a comedy club like Governors or even see what they’re trying to do with the music scene by revitalizing The Paramount and you’ll see there are some great people and wonderful things to do.

    I’ve traveled just as much as you’ve described and lived in different states and countries and while I did eventually move (out of my parents house) to be closer to my job I still feel blessed to have grown up in an area with a fantastic public school system and access to both the beach and NYC.

    I’m not saying there isn’t validity to your complaints above but before you claim to hate something with your heart and soul, remember that the definition of insanity is trying the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Try something new and allow yourself to experience a different side of LI, otherwise you’re just as crazy as everyone you’re complaining about.

    There are good people out there, you just have to put in an effort to meet them.

    1. lfest, I did try something new, I started traveling, and realizing then that the rest of the world by and large operates on a different level from Long Island. What I experience here is not what I experience “out there.”

  47. WOW! great post. I agree 100%. Long Island is a cesspool. I grew up in North Bellmore in Nassau county, and lived there all my life, until 5 years ago. I think when I was a kid it was a much different place to live. Perhaps I was just naive, or perhaps there were just fewer people there.

    I did go to college, one of the best in the country, got a great education, and a pretty good paying job, eventually. I lived with my parents for 2 years after college to help save up some money until they moved with all the other Long Islanders to Florida to retire. My parents moved to Long Island from Brooklyn when my mom was pregnant with me. My brother and sister were 10 and 12 at the time. My sister never liked it there. She moved away as soon as she could which was at 17 because she graduated high school a year early, just to get out.

    I never knew how bad I had it. I commuted to the city for school for 4 years. Usually after the train and the subway I walked around with maybe $5 in my pocket. After working for many years at a pretty low salary I finally got a break and made it to the six figures only to find out that by then that wasn’t enough to live in NYC, so I was stuck on Long Island. I did eventually save up enough money to buy a house. It was on 1/4 acre, a tiny house, only one small bathroom, with a 1500 sq foot garage for my husband’s business. We lived there for 10 years and the value on the house doubled. SO we decided to get out. The stress of driving 3 hours a day for work was killing me. I had no life, just work and traffic.

    We spent five years traveling around the country and looking at real estate to find a place we could call home. I am happy to report we found it. Kansas City Missouri. I probably shouldn’t tell you all this cause then you’ll all come here and ruin it . . . . just kidding. But it’s great. We sold our dump from the sewer and got 9 acres with a 3 bedroom home, albeit, a little dated, with 3 baths, and a gorgeous view of a pond and trees. Even my inlaws have now purchased the land next to ours on 7 acres. We even had a nice chunk of change left over after the sale. Strangely enough, I was in closing on both homes, when I got laid off from my job. So I would have been really screwed had I stayed.

    Today I think of Long Island just as you posted. I especially notice it now that I don’t live there and I visit. If I had to say if I missed NY I would say I miss all the excitement of NYC that I was never able to take advantage of when I lived there because I was too tired form commuting. But I definitely do not miss long island.

    Now I can work part time and enjoy life the rest of the time. I don;t need much, Some days I enjoy just walking around my property. I only do things I enjoy now so I don;t get caught up in the machine like I was in NY. So now I am a weight watcher leader and I work retail selling lingerie. Sometimes we stress about money, who doesn’t. But it always works out. The pay off is I look outside and it’s pretty. The people are super nice. Three is no traffic, and I never wait on a line for anything. I am out in the country but in 15 mins its the suburbs, like long island, only cleaner, and nicer with better parking, and anouth 2o minutes I am in the city, which also has great parking.

    Thanks for reminding me how great I have it. I’ll never move back to Long Island.

    1. Haha, don’t worry, I won’t ruin it for you, but you got me curious because I WAS considering Springfield or even Branson, near the Ozarks. i’m hoping to visit the area this fall and see if it’s my cup of tea. 😀

  48. You’re a patently imbecilic, vitriolic, and myopic. Have a good day. Long Island will not be missing you.

    1. You forgot “shagadelic,” you know, if we’re gonna be following the tradition of using descriptive terms that end in “-ic.”

  49. I think there’s a lot of amazing wonderful things about Long Island and there are a lot of good, level headed people here that really aren’t as difficult to find as you make it seem, but as a 22 year old trying to start my life, I know it’s not going to be here. All of my friends who are still in this state (ranging from 21 to 27) are still living with their parents because you literally cannot afford to have an apartment and pay your other bills because the rent is so inflated. A tiny, damp, crappy one bedroom basement apartment will run you $1500/month. Probably headed upstate as soon as I’m finished with Nursing school. If you can afford to be here though, it has a lot going for it

    1. I think that’s the operative phrase, “IF YOU CAN AFFORD IT.” Any place will certainly start having much more appeal when you have more money than God.

  50. I thought it was a great place to grow up and I had a great experience in Levittown, NY. I have some great friends and family. However, it is kinda like a cult. I’ve moved and no one can handle that. Not that I love PA, but it’s a lot easier to start a life as a young adult in PA than on Long Island. I’ve lost friends due to a lot of the character traits that you’ve described. I will always love my Long Island summer nights (the beach, All American Burger, the Nutty Irishman) but I never 100% fit in either. Hopefully you’ll see some silver linings once you’re in a better place in life!

    1. OH All American Burger, I’ll give you that one! But then since discovering Five Guys I realized when I need a burger fix bad I’ll still be ok. 😉

  51. I’m very relieved. I’ve lived on Long Island most of my life and it’s always seemed to be hailed as this blissful epicenter of culture and privilege and it’s always been instilled in me to celebrate it and express frequent gratitude for having been lucky enough to call this place home. I was always under the assumption that some part of me was dysfunctional for not being able to see what a “privilege” it was to live here and wondered why I seemed to loathe it, but I’m glad you echo my sentiment. My best friend moved to Boston a few years ago and now that she’s been there long enough she now refers to Long Island as a “black pit of despair,” and in retrospect she couldn’t be happier that she left it permanently. I think I’ll have to take a page from her book and develop an exit strategy immediately.

    1. William, nope you’re definitely not alone. If you have the time, I would really encourage you to visit Boston, especially if you’re a history buff. It’s one of my favorite cities to travel to.

  52. You are right on about LooongIsland. I was lucky to find a fairly quiet, pocketed community on L.I’s north shore,, boarding the Long Island Sound. For traffic, a nightmare south of 25A, forget it, I remember The Island of the 1940’s, during the war and post war prior to the expansion of the suburbs as a kid growing up. It was rural in my town. People were folksy and friendly. But, alas, those times have fallen by the wayside. A few remaining but the ranks are thinning.
    On the State Mental Institutions of Pilgrim, Central Islip and Kings Park – all 3 in Suffolk County – the bulk or more than 90% of the inmates or patients came from mostly Brooklyn and Manhattan.

  53. Omg finally someone wrote the truth about this death-trap island. You are unequivocally on point. Normally, the second I say something negative about Long Island, I’m attacked by the wolves. I can’t wait until I’m out of here for good. This place is sucking my soul out of me.

    1. Singles’ bars are a minor or small part of Long Island’s woes. Many other places to meet people such as, clubs, organizations, societies, college courses, beaches, historical societies, camera clubs, volunteer work at hospitals, nursing homes, places of worship etc. Yeh, churches, a great place. Bars at the bottom of my list, unless you’re going in with friends and sitting in the dining area.

  54. Being a born and raised Longuylander myself, I can safely say that I truly can’t stand this place at times. I already made the decision a while back not to befriend anyone new. I can’t take the bipolar madness! I have a few well established friendships and I’m sticking to what I know. I think living in this hell-hole might have made me somewhat of a closed off bitch. But who can blame me?

    I’m consistently mentioning to my boyfriend how I’d love to be anywhere but here. The very sight of Long Island scenery makes me “long” to be elsewhere. He doesn’t seem to share my complete distaste for this place.

    Maybe one day I’ll be able to leave here and not feel bad for leaving my family behind. But for now I’m a bit stuck… I wish the best to those of you in my position.

  55. Hahahahaha the life of this nameless, faceless sore loser that wrote this article will only get worse. Good luck to the author in finding what you want, you are definitely going to need it.

    1. You’re so adorbz. I totes can’t figure why I’m having a time of it befriending you sweet as milky chocolate and cuddly as snugglecakes Long islanders.

  56. Ahh, if you’re referring to the special gems that are bombarding your page, defending the LI bubble that they are so fearful of ever leaving- then yes, I don’t appreciate them. Long Island’s cliquey nature is one of the worst qualities about this place. Walk into a bar in Manhattan, you make friends in 5 minutes. Walk into a bar in Long Island, you’ll want to leave in under a minute from the unfriendly gawking faces you receive. Don’t ever insult Long Island though, there will be a mob at your doorstep explaining how Billy Joel was born here, therefore Long Island is better than everywhere else (of course).

    1. I’m glad I’m not the only one who noticed this. I think what defenders here aren’t considering is that they’re comparing having friends from their childhood to befriending new people. It’s not the same thing. If you’ve maintained your childhood circle of friends into adulthood, then that’s awesome, but it doesn’t speak to the issue that it’s harder to befriend new people here than outside of LI, because so many are so well established in their own cliques.

    2. Majority of people that have groups of friends here have maintained that same group of friends since grade school. For those who actually want to branch out and meet new people here, it’s a dead end. The average Long Islander has no desire to ever leave, and usually end up staying until they die. I wish I did have as much passion about this place as a lot of these commenters convey but, I just can’t get past the arrogance, and socially-inept behavior of most inhabitants here. Bi-polar is a decent observation of the personalities, with a little bit of schizophrenia mixed in as well. Add that to the 24/7 rush-hour, aging 1-dimensional baby-boomers, illegal immigrant influx, sky-rocketing taxes, filthy road-ways and un-feasible cost of living, and you have a toxic cocktail of unbearable.

  57. Hmm.. I’d say I have a love/hate relationship with Long Island. I grew up in Massachusetts and also lived in Connecticut. Moved here in high school.

    I have to agree with you that high school was not easy when having to deal with characters you mentioned. I’d say I was pretty popular/extroverted, but I still didn’t exactly “fit in.”

    However, as I have gotten older, I have appreciated it much more. I’m still broke, but I am realizing my dream of becoming a professional athlete here. Although there are a lot of crazies here, there is really good training and everything is a pretty convenient distance away. I pretty much bike anywhere I can. Sometimes dangerous, but makes the traffic stress go away.

    I tend to ignore the “typical Long Island” stereotypes and have found like-minded people as a result. I also have found a good support system of laid back people who never seem to judge.

    That being said… I must admit that Long Island winter is so terrible. I absolutely love the summer, but the winter SUCKS. I just focus on my goals and try to survive the depressing season. I hope to be able to afford a small spot on Long Island for the summer and a place elsewhere for the winter.

    Although it is far from perfect, I promise we aren’t all crazy. This place is a good set up for some. Ignore the @$#%holes and do whatever it is you want to do with your life.

  58. I am sorry you’ve had such a horrible experience. There are plenty of good things about Long Island too, though. I take the bad with the good and truck on. I do plan on moving though, off of Long Island….for a better life….a slower life….a more pleasant life…lol….good luck!

  59. I have felt exactly the same way you have growing up on LI. Most of these people who have commented will moan about the same things you are but just don’t have the guts to put it on the internet all at the same time. It’s LI nature to want to defend the stupid place and I’ve been guilty of it too.

    I left Long Island 3 years ago and moved to another country. There are still some things I miss from time to time about LI but I’m still glad I moved and I’d never go back. Good luck to you – I hope you can get off that magnet of a fish.

  60. left right out of high school in 1976 when dad took 5 kids and a wife to CA…live in south OC-beautiful area, traffic is manageable (as in OC in general-the gas tax we passed 20 years ago paid for freeway upgrades instead of transit) schools are OK…

    In general if you are south of Sunrise HW or north of 25A you are OK-the center of the island (the scrub oak belt) is ugly…..

  61. I read somewhere that out of mid 1970s HS graduates on Long Island, 50% left permanently-half of those stayed somewhere in the Northeast, and the other half left the Northeast for points south/west…

    Totally believable…

    1. It does strike me believable, makes me wonder, if we could all easily migrate off the island, how many people would wind up leaving?

  62. Been a Long Island native my whole 30 years alive. I swear this sounds like one of the rants I’ve made about it. I completely agree and I hate when people give me looks when I bring out these facts about this overpriced/overated bipolar place.

    1. It’s not the invective that bothers me, it’s this oddly disconcerting bubble LIers refuse to let themselves out of. At some point you have to be able to see the obvious.

  63. Much of your analysis is spot on, but also the woes you describe are typical of many areas in the country. It was much nicer here prior to the 90s, but gets worse as time progresses. It’s too expensive for a regular Joe to survive here with out overtime or a second job and the crime has increased; drugs, gangs, all moving east from the city are making it worse. BTW, I read recently that Nassau/Suffolk together ranked as the number SIX highest cost of living in the country with the top five being big cities like NY, LA,
    Miami, etc. which is funny because the majority of people here are middle class or flat out poor.

    I have no loyalty to LI, and once I retire I’m OUTTA HERE to somewhere up north. I had a good time growing up here but I get where your coming from.

    1. Those are fair points, but it’s not that other areas of the country don’t face similar issues, it’s the severity and degree of it that makes LI unique in my opinion. There were places I’ve traveled to where people would complain about the traffic for example, and I just have to laugh because I’d be like, congestion, what congestion, it only took me 5 minutes to get out of that traffic jam. Here, in similar circumstances I’d be stuck for an hour. There’s just no comparison. Whatever social issues, cost of living, infrastructure, cultural divides and conflicts we see elsewhere is curiously magnified to a noticeably higher degree here.

  64. To each his own. I’ve lived on Long Island–Massapequa to be exact–for all of my life and I feel I have a fair grasp on what this place is about. While I agree with you on some points like housing costs and traffic, I can’t help but to disagree with you on almost everything else. I’m 17 and I find your points on LI teens a little offensive. Yes, there are some spoiled brats who constantly experience and express their first world problems, but from what I’ve seen, that is a minority of the LI community as a whole. Many kids I know are just nice, typical teens. Of course there are some weirdos, but deep down, aren’t we all? Furthermore, Wherever you go, be it in the state, country, or world, you are going to find some A-holes and D-bags; it’s unavoidable! Look, I’m sorry if I’m coming off as a little mean, but many of the things you’re saying are broad generalizations and stereotypes. I’m not trying to say your opinion is invalid or sway you to take on mine, I just want to get my side out there: the one which still believes in the good of Long Island.

    1. No problem, we’re all entitled to have our opinions. I’m glad you had a better time growing up. I hope being a Pequa dude means you’ve experienced Smokin Al’s, and if not, well then I really give up on LI, lol.

  65. I’ve lived in many places throughout New York. Born in Syosset, 11 years in Bayshore, another 11 in Coram (right next door to Selden), and now I’ve been forced to move onto Florida. I can’t agree with a lot of the things you say, personally I feel as if you’ve just had one hell of a bad experience throughout your life. For that, I feel sorry for you man, it certainly seems to be that things have not been easy for you in the least. I miss Long Island, I miss the culture, I miss the people, especially the food. Jacksonville is a cultural void whereas at least Long Island HAS a culture, and one you’ve obviously not been able to assimilate into your life, even though it’s been apart of you since you’ve been born. I often hear of people lamenting L.I. as if it’s some sort of hell, I get that the cost of living, while insane, it just outright wrong. As some have said, if you don’t enjoy it, then just move on, I didn’t even want to leave and found a place to set up outside of L.I. As much as you hate it, I miss it, and dearly wish to return. Also, trust me, I know more about the corruption on L.I. than you ever hopefully will, I don’t wish bad things on people, truth be told I like seeing people naive to corruption because it allows a vicarious window to living a life without those kind of worries. I do hope you find what you’re looking for in this life, it just takes hard work, and determination to get there.

    1. it seems to me that Florida is getting Long-Islandified as well. I know some down there and they’ve been complaining that there’s more New Yorkers down there than there are Florida natives. Heh. And then they all come up here for the summer. :-

  66. Some of this is legit, some of it is First World Problems, some of it is flat wrong…
    “There is no place in which you can truly feel like you can get away from it all, except possibly the Hamptons, the seat of the uber-rich and ultra-privileged.”
    Ummmm try going to any state park in the offseason, on a weekday, or both? They’re mostly empty. I’m a Long Island native currently living on Long Island and I can walk 400 feet to a forest with nobody in it. I live in a middle-class section of Suffolk County, not the Hamptons. It’s also funny seeing Jersey people talk sh%t in the comments, like Jersey people and Long Island people don’t seem exactly the same to anybody from outside the Tri-State. The narcissism of petty differences…I also prefer the honest indifference and hostility of Long Islanders to the extremely passive-aggressive “niceness” of the Midwest or the “I’m such a well-educated and caring and socially conscious liberal from my $1,000,000 lake home” hypocrisy of certain Manhattan/Vermont/Massachusetts types.

    1. Dude, seriously? Oh, well, if I go to a state park on Wednesday at 3 o’ clock in the morning I’d totes have the park to myself! Come on.

    2. It’s not that extreme so that makes me think that you don’t get out that much…Robert Moses during the summer sure lots of people but Sunken Meadow or Caumsett on any weekday? Not that many. Also some people enjoy the social aspect of the beach more than the scenery anyway so maybe you just don’t know the right people to have beach parties with, I dunno

  67. if you think Long Island is worse than Detroit or Chicago or Oakland or a lot of the south, or that its the worst place in America, you really havnt spent enough time in any of those places and have a way too high opinion of yourself if nobody on Long Island is good enough for you. Go move to Detroit instead of taking a trip there and try telling me Long Islands the worst place in America, this is a very Diva-sounding article, maybe you didnt have a lot of friends growing up cause of your narcissistic personality

    1. the big-headedness and pompous attitude shown in this article makes you seem exactly like what you say you hate in your rant of an article lol idk if you realized that, there isnt anything more stuck-up and snoody than saying that every person where you grew up sucks and you were better than all of them

    2. At least Detroit doesn’t unrealistically entertain itself with any grandiose sense of superiority. (Compare property prices there to here. One reflects its actual value, whereas the other is absurdly overvalued and not based on any sort of market conditions even remotely resembling reality. I’ll let you guess which is which.)

    3. there also arent tens of thousands of stray dogs and an insanely high crime rate on Long Island especially compared to Detroit which is pretty much a wasteland lmao yeah the property value is too high on Long Island but if thats the only thing that makes it the worst place in America to you thats an incredibly first world thing to say

    4. I was going to keep quiet but after scrolling through a good amount of these comments enough is enough. You sound like a self righteous a**h*** (at least admit it if you are because I like honesty) and I’m pretty sure if you had this attitude in any other place in WORLD, they would tell you the same thing if you put down there home. Sorry that you are not ambitious enough to have a good life here (Im really not sorry). There comes a time when you just have to man up and just accept the things out of your control. Embrace the fact that you were born here because this is the life that you were brought up in and there’s nothing you could have done to change that. It is what it is. Long Island speaks for itself and I will not sit here and bring up everything that it holds. In fact that’s not the argument at this point. Sounds like you just feel sorry for yourself and are doing anything for attention because you want others to feel sorry for you.

      Here’s an example. I live in Suffolk. Are there times where car accidents happen which causes traffic to back up the cross island? Yes. Am I going to sit there and cry about it? No. Because a factor like that is a part of life and if you let something like that get to you then that’s a whole separate issue. Maybe look at the bigger picture, but then again everyone’s outlook on life is different. Maybe put the radio on and listen to some summer tunes, make a phone call, makes plans for later. We are only humans. We learn to adapt to the environment around us. Traffic – Boo hoo. Come on man.

      Whats frustrating is that your spending a good amount of time on this site s****** on Long Island when you could make something happen for yourself. Maybe once you find your niche in something that interests you, you wont spend as much time on this site. Its like you thrive off people agreeing with you about Long Island being the worst place ever. But let me tell you something buddy, your still sitting behind you computer screen watching the world pass you by probably getting a good laugh or two about someone agreeing with you. I really hope you decide to post this or at least read this over maybe take it into consideration. This could have been one of the biggest waste of 5 minutes of my life that i wont get back. The fact that this has gone on for months amazes me.

      1. Again, missing the point. LI has serious and unique problems here that you just don’t see anywhere else.

        I have plenty of ambition though: ambition to leave NY permanently, and it will finally pay off for me by the end of the year. Soon all Long Islanders shall behold the glorious wonders that is my well sculptured hindquarters as I make flight over the Verrazano Bridge, never to return again.

  68. My family had a small summer bungalow (pump, outhouse, gas refrigerator) in Mastic back in the 1950’s / early 60’s before the LIE was built. We called it “The Country”. It’s no longer that way. Even Hicksville, where we recently moved from to South Carolina, was potatoe fields back in the late 1950’s. I agree with the posting that Long Island will finally go bankrupt paying School Superintendent salaries and civil service pensions. I miss Long Island as it was but not as it is now!

  69. It just occurred to me that I never mentioned THE TICKS! (not to be confused with THE TICK! {singular}) We have one of, if not THE highest concentration of ticks (or cases of lyme disease) than anywhere else in the country. Look at the map: http://www.aldf.com/usmap.shtml

    I hate Long Island.

    1. well thats because Lyme Disease was created on Plum Island, which is in the Sound between Long Island and Connecticut, so its not just because ticks are appalled by the high cost of living also and they chose to infect people on Long Island, thats just because of geographic location, so yeah

  70. I wish I could leave here!! I just don’t know what I’d do for a living out of this state. The people here suck. Each time I visit NC I never want to come back. No ones friendly here and the Place is dirty. You forgot to mention high taxes due to six figure teacher salaries and cops retiring as millionaires. Sounds like all of us that think the same should establish our own town with a 20 foot barrier.

    1. You might need to consider a career change. It’s hard but I was finally able to break into a field of my choosing, even though it took a loooooooooooooong time to pull it off. Don’t give up!

  71. Honestly, after reading this post I’m struck by how little you seem to understand yourself and your own responsibility in your situation. This is the most negative, hateful piece of writing I have read in a long time and it leaves me with very little doubt as to why you have had trouble making friends and dating. Hmm..I can’t imagine why people don’t want to hang out with you when you refer to everyone around you as “a mentally unstable, psychotic bunch.” You attract what you put out there in the world and people in general don’t like to be around those who are always feeling bad and focusing on the negative. I can’t imagine this is different in any other part of the country, or the world for that matter. Instead of blaming the place you live for all your problems, you could either focus more on the positive aspects or just take some responsibility and move. I see that you claim your “circumstances” have prevented you from leaving. While that may be true, your “circumstances” certainly didn’t cause you to write such a ridiculous, bitter article. Your negative attitude did that.

  72. Not going to argue on your views of Long Island, even if they are downright wrong- but I do have to step in and say that your ignorant comments regarding mental illness, section 8 and the like- are disgusting. They are microaggressions that spread stigma and only add to hate in the world. Don’t spread hate, my friend, the world has enough of it as it is.

  73. Its hard to believe that there is absolutely nothing good about Long Island. After reading your hate filled rant I feel sorry for you, but I think it is ironic how you write so much negativity about the people whereas I saw exactly what you werewriting about in your own attitude. I hope you find your “paradise”, even though I think with such a hateful spirit and negative attitude it may be near impossible….

    1. I only reserve my hateful spirit towards Long Islanders. Everyone else gets to see the sunny, cuddly side of me.

  74. I’m a Long Island native (Rockville Centre), Manhattan/Brooklyn dweller for 8 years, and now a very happy resident of Denver, Colorado. The positives far outweigh the negatives. I don’t think I’ll ever go back!

    1. Awesome Elizabeth! I plan to move further out west (Colorado is at the top of the list, but could be elsewhere), and always glad to see stories of ex-LIers living much happier lives outside of NY.

  75. hey frank grow up and welcome to the real world just because you cant cut it as a man that still leaves with mommy.you r right long island has change i grew up in brentwood maybe the worst town on long island but i love it dont leave there no more.now im in sayville little fact about it. it was name one of the best town in the U.S.A. so do your home work frank is not all bad here

  76. I had a great career as an RN in Nassau County for over 40 years. I grew up in Queens and then moved to Nassau County in 1988. I have seen the decline on LI in terms of greed by the politicians and county workers. Also, the town that I lived in was getting more run down and dirty. It was time to leave and so we did 2 years ago to SC. Although I miss my friends on LI, I am happy living in the south.

    1. I’m glad you’re enjoying your time in the south! I’ve been to Tennessee and other southern states and was surprised to see how welcoming they were of a New Yaaaawker.

  77. I couldn’t agree more with everything you wrote! I am a Long Island native who has since moved to northern Vermont and my quality of life has improved 10 fold (for lack of a more monumental expression)! I try to explain these things to people who are not from Long Island and i don’t think they can quite grasp just how horrible it really is! Such a relief to know I am not alone in my feelings towards this place… thank you!

    1. You’re welcome, and nope you’re definitely not the only one! I’m sure a lot more people feel the same but don’t speak up because of how violently some LIers react when you criticize their precious island.

  78. I’ve read through your piece and the comments and I’ve been trying to come up with a response that’s measured. I mean, I sure do agree that the suburban sprawl is ugly, though I disagree that it’s impossible to find park space that isn’t crowded. I spent half my adolescence hanging out in the woods with friends where we felt like the only people in the world (smack in the middle of a pretty densely-populated section of Nassau County, to boot!). I take a bit of umbrage to the characterization of LI-natives as bipolar but maybe that’s just because the people I have in my life are great and I’ve been lucky that way.

    I almost feel that an easy summary of my feelings toward LI is along the lines of “It was a great place for me as a teenager, a good mix of urban (access to NYC)/ suburban/ rural (there are wide-open spaces and nature, I swear!) that provided a lot of variety in terms of the kinds of shenanigans I could get into and things I could experience. But as an adult pushing 30, a lot of the shine has worn off and staying on LI seems like an increasingly dicey proposition economically.”

    I’m sorry, that paragraph was a bit of a train wreck but hopefully you’ll be able to parse my meaning. I find myself in the position now of having nearly all my family and friends on Long Island, and as an aspiring (still, somehow, after all these years) artsy-fartsy type the proximity to NYC is also something I’m reluctant to give up. I have to say now I don’t think I could live in NYC or any of the boroughs, I lived in Brooklyn for a time during college, and even in that half-insulated experience I got all the big-city living I think I could take for one lifetime. I went on a cross-country road trip about two years ago and I LOVED a lot of the places I went. If I could live my life over again I think I’d go to college in Madison, Wisconsin.

    It saddens me to see people hate Long Island because it’s my home and I love it despite its flaws, but yeah, I feel ya. I wish I had the power to do more than bear it/leave it.

    Best of luck if you do make it off the Island, Frank.

    1. No problem Michael, thanks for keeping it civil. I actually like our close proximity to NYC, but what I don’t like is having to effectively pay $20-$30 just for one day commute into the city, although to be fair this isn’t the fault of Long Island. It does irk me though, because I love Manhattan and find the city vibe to be a world of a difference from LI culture (or lack thereof).

      I’m glad you had a better experience growing up as well, but I don’t think it’s the norm. I’m getting too many responses from people who felt I was saying almost verbatim what they’ve been feeling for years. The evidence is not merely anecdotal.

  79. I live on the north fork(born and raised), it’s not so bad out here. Yes, it is pricey compared to a lot of other places but it sure as hell beats living “up island” as I call it.

    1. That IS nice territory out there. Feels like the ocean is literally all around you, because well, it is, lol.

  80. OH man, thanks for writing this. I was born in PA, moved to Virginia when I was 1, moved back to PA at age 5, and then moved to this vile den of depravity and nonsense at age 13. You talked about long island teenagers- imagine being introduced to the typical long island person right before going into high school. This is right on point! I too, am greatly desiring a chance to escape this place to somewhere that has some actual, you know, wild parts, but have fallen prey to circumstance.

    Hiking happens to be one of my favorite past times. I’ve found several places that have trails here. They run into several problems. First, you can usually hear traffic from most of them. Second, your only view is trees, since its totally flat and you can never climb somewhere to get a better view. Third, we have an INSANE amount of ticks. I’ve tried to hike during the warmer months maybe 3 times. Every single time, I end up covered in more than 20 ticks. Growing up in PA, I had encounters with the little nasties, but you’d have one on you. There is nothing like looking down at your legs and realizing there are over a dozen ticks attached to your legs so you have to turn your hike into a sprint back to your car, where you continue to find more in odd spots. Then when you think you must’ve gotten them all, you go home and find 3 more. All this has done is prove to me that there is ZERO places to escape here. I can’t wait for my opportunity to leave present itself.

    1. You have to lace your clothes with Permethrin for the ticks, and I don’t mean you could do that, I mean it’s MANDATORY. It’s one of the reasons why I don’t bother with the trails during the summer because the ticks are absolutely disgusting to deal with, even with protected, Permethrin laced clothes. I’d rather dip my jewels in honey and go on a bear watch in Wyoming than deal with ticks again.

  81. Entertaining article. It reads closer to a rant than an objective assessment of the Island, which is fine, but as a native Longislander for 30 years (and someone who has lived in several countries and states), I can’t relate to much of this commentary. Many of those “mental institutions” were actually created from the overpopulation of the ones in the city, not solely to fulfill the need of the actual residents. Yes, it can be cliquely here, but forming groups and protecting them, for better or worse, is a characteristic of human nature. They are the product of “tribes.” Yes, there is overpopulation and high taxes, but that’s endemic to the entire country, not two counties in the whole nation. Nevertheless, nice fun article

    1. “They are the product of “tribes.” Yes, there is overpopulation and high taxes, but that’s endemic to the entire country”

      So the entire country is experiencing overpopulation and high taxes? Have you been to Wyoming lately?

  82. As I’m sure you would agree, to each his own. But I will say a lot of what your talking about are negative products caused by the many positives LI’s has to offer. For families, it provides some of the best school districts in the country. (NY state is rated top 10 by many publications even while the city and up-state ranks relatively low) Many middle class families who can’t afford the private schools of the city flood the island which causes(and I agree they’re to high) the crazy cost of living. It’s also why LI has become so overpopulated which also relates to the other issues you mentioned including traffic. LI unemployment is also much lower, driving many people to come here. The truth is, while some are for necessity, most people want to be here continuing to drive many of the negatives. In terms of cost of living, as bad as LI taxes are, take a look at the average amount a LI resident gets back for each dollar of federal and state taxes, it embarrassingly small. As bad as county taxes are, alot of it isn’t because of Long Islanders.

    To your other points, again many are just whatever you have a affinity for. Having been to nearly everywhere in the US, my love of the ports and beaches of the Island and many of the smaller towns has grown.

    Finally, while I agree we Long Islander are insane, I’ve grown to love that to. And here is where I think your negative experiences have clouded your judgement. The thing about LIanders is you know where they stand and what they think. Having spent much time in the Midwest and South, the first is ultra polite, but can be extremely dull and isolated. Speaking of Isolated, i’ve never felt more isolated than in the south and the judgement was overwhelming. Not to say our personalities are without fault, but there’s an honesty which I’ve come to appreciate.

    1. Fair points, although I haven’t really experienced that with the south. I have several really good friends from “down there” and they’re definitely not as you describe. The only irritating thing I found in my interaction with most southerners is their tendency to take their time to get to the point. Definitely more laid back and not as high paced as we tend to be up here.

  83. Well quit b*&^%hing and leave 😉 it’s people like you who make it awful. There’s lot if beauty in this island but white trash like you who have to preach ruin it!

  84. I think this article is mean spirited and lazy. I live and work here and meet wonderful people each day. My family and I bike the trails, go to the beaches and kayak everywhere from the the Great South Bay to the Nissequogue. We eat at different resturants each weekend with friends and family. We moved here 15 years ago and our son went to school here. I guess you get what you give. Or cheeky and mean just sells a bit better I surmise.

    1. Well said John. Everyone is entitled to his or her opinion, but I believe his article spreads a little beyond opinion– I don’t like the sweeping generalizations.. see my post below 🙂

  85. This is one of the most ridiculous items I’ve read. You seem like quite the miserable little person, enjoying your pity party. I’ve lived on Long Island my entire life, short a few years in queens, and I couldn’t disagree with you more. It’s quite astonishing to blame your location as the reason you can’t date. My guess is your negative attitude is broaching your appearance and making you vile to the opposite sex. Where ever you lopive, you will most likely be miserable. Were you bullied when you were younger? Have you not grown up, and shaken that off yet? Pull yourself together, put on your big boy panties and stop crying.

    1. Welp, I guess if you live in a state of perpetual inebriation you tend to see the world in a different light than I do. BTW, JoJo, is that your real name or your stripper name?

    2. No, frank, it’s not my “stripper name”….now who’s being judgmental? I actually have multiple secondary and higher level degrees, that I paid for (on my own), while working, and living with friends (because it was more FUN not because I couldn’t afford it.). Now, I’m successful. Because I earned it. I didn’t spend my time crying at the cards I was dealt, I turned them into a royal flush. I truly feel sorry for you, by closing your “ranks and isolating yourself” you’ve essentially turned into a sad fella, who may have, at one point been able to contribute to society but now you’re stuck in this misery vacuum.

      When you touched on lack of community, I can only assume that’s due to your reclusive lifestyle. I grew up in a small town, neighbored by small towns, and everyone knew everyone’s names. We all said hi, helped our neighbors, and didn’t lock our doors. I now live in a beach town, and after sandy the ENTIRE community banded together to help EVERYONE out – life long community members, transplants, and strangers. You’re not part of any community because you choose not to be.

      My parents raised me to work hard, and the good things would follow. They taught me to be nice to people, and they’d be nice back, but not to be a pushover. I guess your parents forgot to teach you some key elements needed to succeed in society.

      1. They taught me to be nice to people, and they’d be nice back…

        Yep, your parents definitely did a bangup job there.

        Being the typical self-righteous and self-absorbed Long Guuuuylander that you are, you’re making a lot of assumptions about me that simply aren’t true. You haven’t lived my life. I’ve learned to make the best of a bad situation, which is why I have the means to eventually leave, but this doesn’t change the reality that LI simply sucks for most people, and those who remain ignorant of its decaying rot, well, feel free to continuing wallowing blissfully in your ignorance. If it works for you, rock on, I say.

  86. So, I found this article on my friend’s Facebook page and initially it gave me a little chuckle. But I have to say the further I read, the more intolerable it got for me. I live on Long Island, am 27, and was born and raised here, while I do agree with several aspects of this rant, I have to say that it does sound quite bitter. I would like to provide a counter-arguement speaking solely from experience. As a psychologist, I learned a long time ago to leave generalizations out of my descriptions of a population or groups of people. Much of what you’re saying describes the lifestyle in the ENTIRE metropolitan area, not just Long Island. It’s evident to me that you’ve encountered some sad people in your lifetime, and have chosen not to ignore these people and search for others who make you happy, but to become angry, and generalize these people into an entire POPULATION of people living on Long Island. I have to disagree with you about the lack of diversity in the population in that they are all snobby or *&^holes. I have met some of the most culturally sophisticated, educated, intelligent people here. And I have lived upstate NY, and in Maryland for a brief time. Not one person I have encountered outside of Long Island/NYC has been able to stimulate my mind in conversation and fascinate me with their knowledge of life and the world. I am surrounded by educated people every day and I learn something new every day. I hate to tell you this, but you will come across difficult people everywhere you go, and part of life is learning to deal with the cards you’re dealt. Is everyone on Long Island friendly? Not a chance. But not everyone in Florida, or California, or Colorado is either (i’ve been there as well). I’ve had the door slammed in my face in most other places as well as on Long Island. Individual differences make the world go ’round. But I’ve also had random acts of kindness occur here on Long Island as well, and those acts have made me NOT lose faith in the population of this “rock” as you call it. Oh, I checked on your fact from the Psychology 101 class, that stat is true if you include all of the mental institutions in Queens and Brooklyn, HOWEVER, you CLEARLY and ADAMANTLY state that Brooklyn and Queens while geographically located on Long Island, are different entities. And mental health is extremely important, so it’s not such a bad thing to have facilities where people can be helped. So keep that statistic out of your argument. Also, can you be careful with your use of the words ‘schizophrenic populace’ and referring to things as “bi-polar”? It’s a little offensive to those who suffer from these issues and it’s inappropriately used.

    One thing you failed to mention, Long Island is fairly safe. I don’t fear that if I look at someone the wrong way, he/she will pull a gun out on me, unlike Florida where I fear for my life every time I get behind the wheel or give someone a half-smile. They can easily pull out a gun and shoot me, and then not be convicted of a crime, because that’s how the justice system works there. I also, because I can be absent minded, have left my purse in the front seat of my car outside of my house for several hours, and it remained there. Naive? Maybe, but we are a heck of a lot safer here than in your hyped up boroughs of Queens and Brooklyn. Have you ever driven on I-95? That’s pretty awful too. But I do agree that Long Island traffic is horrendous. Long Island has some of the most open minded people as well. You are free to practice whatever religion you’d like on Long Island without being chastised and fearful. While you have done a decent job describing some of the issues with Long Island, I would have much preferred to see some of the positives of living here. Us NYers get a bad wrap because of people like you who generalize 5% of the population to 75% of the population and make it seem like we are these people with heads so far stuck up our butts that we have no time to stop and smell the roses. Most of the population on Long Island value education and can afford to live here because they have one and are hustlers and go-getters. They know how to make moves and make things happen. Rarely do people around here live sedentary lives.

    I wish you luck in your endeavors, if you’re not happy you certainly don’t need to be in a place that perpetuates your negativity. But I do challenge you to find a happier life elsewhere with such a negative outlook on life. Your anger spreads beyond the place where you live. I haven’t found a perfect mate yet but I certainly don’t blame the population for that fact. Maybe your outlook on life needs to change a little bit, look at the glass half full instead of half empty. Sure, it can get difficult, but you could live in Israel where you walk out your door and you get the crap bombed out of you and your family. Or you could live in Russia or Ukraine where political unrest and Putin are destroying lives. Life really isn’t that bad. There is no perfect ideal place. I’m sorry that you have had a negative experience on Long Island, but please do me and every other Long Islander a favor and don’t lump us into this category of people who don’t give a crap about others and who are snobby and insensitive. I happen to come from a home of very philanthropic parents, who are the nicest most generous people i have ever met in my life. My dad built a life for himself from NOTHING, granted times were different then, but please do not assume we are all trust fund babies living off our parents’ wealth because we aren’t. I’m sorry that you encountered a few terrible people who ruined Long Island for you- I truly encourage you to go out with a new attitude and re-explore this place— I promise it’s not SO bad.

    1. Honestly, I tried to read this comment but I fell asleep about halfway through. I did make it to this part though:

      “Not one person I have encountered outside of Long Island/NYC has been able to stimulate my mind in conversation and fascinate me with their knowledge of life and the world.”

      Who’s generalizing who again? >_>

    2. That’s not a generalization, that’s a fact. I’m stating that not one person I HAVE MET outside of Long Island/NYC….etc. A generalization would be not one person outside of Long Island/NYC…. I’m merely discussing those I have met.

    3. That’s too bad you fell asleep, maybe you should try reading it when you’re more awake 😉 some decent points in there, could give you a run for your money 🙂

      1. I think what we’re arguing here is a matter of degree. You admit to the issues we face here, but to you they amount to minor annoyances, whereas I see the island as five pounds of crazy in a one pound bag. I don’t know why I need to spell it out since it should go without saying, but of course not EVERYONE is like that. BUT… if I have to work overtime to slice through the crazy and meet the truly nice ones here, whereas in other areas of the country befriending new people is an effortless and pleasant endeavor, eventually I start to think maybe it’s not me. It’s not that Long Island doesn’t have its share of good, decent people, but that they’re largely overshadowed by the nasty ones. I bring up the mental institutions because it’s the only thing I can think of offhand to explain why so many here seem so oddly and mentally unbalanced. People are crazy everywhere, but there’s a predictability to it, a method to the madness if you will. It’s why it’s so easy for me to predict what someone is going to do on the road when I’m driving outside of New York for example, but here it’s anyone’s guess. Like I’ve said, there’s no consistency to LIers’ behavior as a whole.

        Look I get it. People who just WUBS this island don’t like to be told they suck. But if you’re really one of the decent ones, consider that you might actually be one of the exceptions to the rule here.

    4. Ok let me rephrase: you’re not generalizing, you’re just insinuating a generalization without actually generalizing.

  87. With your proclivity to be reclusive, you wouldn’t ever find the good just waiting for you. Because there are good things all around if you only open your eyes.

    This post it straight from your minds eye while sitting in your room all alone.

    Hope your misarible life is happy one day…..your life is what you make it.

  88. If you think the cost of living is high on Long Island, try moving to New Jersey. Taxes, car insurance, and home prices far beat out Long Island.

    1. Hmm… Does the cost of living index for NY take into account all of NY, including Manhattan? Or do you have a cost of living index for just Nassau and Suffolk County. Maybe you could also try being a little nicer to people who comment on your blog.

      1. Good question, let me check…

        Ok, from city-data.com: Mar. 2012 cost of living index in Nassau County is 153.1. OMG whutlol

        For Suffolk County it’s 152.3, not even a point lower evidently.

        I thought for sure San Francisco as a point of reference would be higher but nope, it clocks in at 148 (2012). But I’m sure that’s because everyone wants to live in SanFran too. >_>

        As for being nice, I like to give as good as I get. It’s a Long Guyland thing.

  89. I’m an international student going to grad school in Long Island. I agree that renting scenario is horrible, specially for a student on scholarship money.the LIRR and LIE both suck, a lot. I also agree that there is too much of the rich (driving Tesla/ Maserati/ Lamborghini) carrying themselves wrapped in designer crap from head to toe and complaining about their nails. But I also see a lot of middle class struggling families ( Hickseville/ Syosset/ Mineola etc.). These people are nice, humble and open ( I’m comparing to people in mid-west who aren’t open to mixing with internationalas at all). I agree that people are generally rude, but that is probably because there are too many people on the streets and too much work pressure—so no one has time to stop and say Hi; and by being rude atleast they are not two-faced. And besides, the food isn’t that bad. And if nothing works out, I can always take a train and go to the city and enjoy a day….in how many places can you do that?

    1. ANd I forgot to mention that this island has good schools and research institutes. There are good school districts like Syosset and Port Jeff. Each year quite a few students from Long Island/ trained in long island qualify to the INTEL championship. Besides, Stony Brook University, BrookHaven Lab and Cold Spring Harbor Lab–are really good places academics and scientists. So, yeah–I wouldn’t complain.

  90. Yo vivi en Long Island por 5 años..y de todos los E.U. fue el lugar mas bonito, pacifico, todas las comodidades, buenos trabajos y sobre todo buenos vecinos. Fue en los años 80s. El problema esta en los dias de ahora que todo el mundo anda loco y por ende las ciudades estan llenas de drogadictos, borrachos etc y sobre todo gente que fueron al colegio pero el colegio no fue a ellos..mudate para Africa, alla con los hermanos que viven en la miseria, llenos de moscas y mira como es la vida y no te quejes tanto que lo tienes todo aqui..ahora busca quien te traduzca este escrito.
    Me gusta mi lenguaje, y si aprendi el tuyo, bien puedes saber el mio..saludos.


    Roughly Translated: I lived on Long Island for 5 years .. and all EU was the most beautiful, peaceful location, all amenities, good jobs and especially good neighbors. It was in the 80s. The problem is now that the days of everyone is crazy and therefore cities are full of drug addicts, drunks etc and especially people who were at school but the school was not for them .. Move in Africa, beyond the brothers who live in misery, full of flies and see what life is like and do not complain so much that you have everything here .. now looking for someone you translate this writing.
    I like my language, learning and if yours, well you know mine .. greetings.

  91. I’m also a Long Island native and I agree with some of the things in this article.I tend to resent living here a lot when I get back from college in the city for the summers. But really? Grouping all the women on Long Island into one lame reason you can’t get a date is immature. I know some pretty friendly people here. And also by reading your replies, you sound like an uppity jerk. This place isn’t that great, but neither are you.

    1. You’re right. Next time I’ll use a picture of a drunken Lindsay Lohan instead of a succubus to more accurately reflect the LI ladies here. 🙂

      P.S. I apologize for being a jerk. I can’t help it though, I’m from Long Island!

  92. There’s better ways to deal with the hate and rage in your soul than blogging. Try meditation.. or even a sensory deprivation tank.

  93. I’ve lived in NY most of my life. Moved to Long Island for school. I enjoyed my 4 years there, it’s a nice town. Granted, if you are uptight and judgmental, the people there probably won’t gravitate to you. That might be the reason why you couldn’t find a date? Food for thought.

    One might glance over this thesis paper, think tl;dr, and wonder why? Which begs the question, “u mad bro?”

    1. Finding dates is easy. Finding quality dates (on LI), not so much. I’m sure there are those who find virtue in taking the path of least resistance and having no standards to begin with, but I have a little bit more self-esteem than that. Better the man who is single than the man who’s paying child support.

  94. I guess I’m super late to the party here…. You’re probably tired of fielding responses, and for that I’m sorry, but I gotta throw my support atcha. (Even though I’ve read so many comments that I’ve forgotten my original responses, so I probably won’t add anything substantive).

    If I had written this article (and I’ve dictated it to myself in my head countless times), I would not have made the exact same points as you, but we agree on the majority of them, and I 100% agree with the SPIRIT of the post. In fact, I bet that if 90% of your detractors could get over their butthurt and actually READ what you’re saying, they’d be forced to agree with you too. Because you’re not saying that there are not good places, people, and aspects of Long Island — just that they’re much more difficult to uncover, access, and enjoy than just about anywhere else in the country. None of the whiny comments I’ve seen here actually ADDRESS your points — most either ignore them completely in favor of attacking you personally or obtusely overlook the salient points of your argument. I wish they could just acknowledge that. I mean, why even get that upset that you post about hating Long Island? You’re not attacking anyone personally. And yet, I have encountered similarly protective attitudes when I’ve compared the standard of living there to just about anywhere else.

    I am a California native, and like you I’ve visited and stayed extensively in over 30 states, and now I’ve finally escaped LI to Seattle. I lived the Long Island horror for 9 years (from age 24 to 33), and while I made many many great friends there (both natives and transplants, people who live there still as well as those who’ve moved on), none of that changes the fact that Long Island is insanely overcrowded and expensive, with a population that is ridiculously economically stratified. To be honest, I blame the geography of the place, and the infrastructure that has been overlaid on it, more than anything else. The division of the island into little hamlets and towns that provide none of the homeyness and familiarity of small towns while creating a nightmare of separate civic bureaucracy kind of represents the whole of the problem. (A crapload of little towns, but in order to go to x beach, you have to be a resident of x town!?!? what is this nonsense? Hundreds of parks, large and small, but no centralized control of them? How do you even find out about them? State parks, county parks, town parks… A million roads, but only 3 roads that will take you 20 miles east or west?) Living there is just dealing with a hundred little frustrations every day. Things that should take 2 minutes take 5. Things that should take minimal effort take just a little more than necessary. The driving madness that I quickly came to expect in LI (but nowhere else in the country, though I’m from Los Angeles) is almost reasonable when you see them as a response to these little frustrations. So yes, Long Island sucks! The people who can’t or won’t acknowledge this either 1) have never lived anywhere else, and thus have nothing to compare it to, 2) are wealthy enough that they have been insulated from the everyday frustrations, 3) are stuck in LI and are trying to make the best of it by plugging their senses and shouting loudly that Long Island is a great place to live!!!!, or 4) are one of the few people who, by virtue of something other than wealth, have managed to avoid Long Island’s unpleasantness (these people, like the guy who posted from Oakdale, I bet, are truly baffled by your post. Bless them — I hope they never awaken to the truth!).

    1. Thanks alli, you’ve actually elucidated my points better than I ever could (I blame LI’s vile humidity for interfering with my thought process). 😛

      BTW, I LOVED Seattle. Just to emphasize the difference between there and “here”, I remember when I stopped at the Seattle Library for an afternoon, I sat at a table with my MacBook, and two drifters walked by and just spontaneously smiled and said hello to me. Didn’t even ask me for change, lol. Another guy asked if he could sit at my table since there was no other space available, and I said sure. Polite, quiet, friendly, it was easy to strike up a conversation, and before I knew it I was talking and befriending everyone I came into contact with. Seattle just made it easy.

      I can’t fathom having the same experience here. It’s not that it’s impossible, it’s just MUCH harder, too much in fact that I often don’t find it worth the effort. People here are just too clique-ish for my tastes.

  95. Oh my! I have never been to Long Island, but now you have me morbidly intrigued and I feel like I should make the trek some day just to experience it myself! I was born in East TN and lived there for 30 years, but we moved to suburban ATL a few years ago. I love our new city, but NO ONE is from here! We’re almost all transplants, and I was surprised by how many of my new acquaintances moved here from New York. Everyone cites the same reason: it’s too damn expensive to live there and the money isn’t spent in a reasonable or even necessarily rational manner. Everyone has a tolerance level for these kinds of things, and you’ve reached your threshold. I get that. I don’t do overcrowding. Some people really love being in a big city, but I am not one of those people. I absolutely cannot tolerate sitting in traffic. All that stopping and starting and idiots who can’t use a turn signal! It drives me insane and no amount of phone calling or music listening is going to change that for me. Everyone has the right to happiness and if you’re unhappy on Long Island then it’s definitely time to move on! Come on down to GA! As long as you can accept that we don’t do snow or cold very well down here (I reference this past winter’s Snowmageddon debacle), then you’ll be fine!

  96. when it comes to the cost of living in Long Island it’s all relative… I know I won’t make the same amount of money as I would in my field/career choice anywhere else in the country…except for SF and LA…(work in NY/live in LI) and when the west coast is nicer weather and all…But I enjoy the people of NY much more.. also don’t let other peoples actions get to you… or whatever that think person thinks about you… surround yourself with people that make you happy and you can be happy anywhere..

    1. So true. I surround myself with people that understand the concept of mutual respect and I just disregard anyone who doesn’t understand that concept. Some people are rude, selfish, arrogant pricks and others are kind and courteous. It just depends on who you happen to run into.
      I will say that most people are unhappy due to the high cost of living. I’m guessing they’re high due to outright greed and corruption in addition to actual gov’t expenses. And some people are just looking to get ahead by scamming or screwing you over.

      As far as driving goes, I’m a fairly courteous driver. I don’t “lane hog” or weave through traffic, I let people merge in, and I let faster traffic pass but I keep pace with surrounding cars. I do enjoy driving out around the Manorville-Calverton area by the old Grumman Airfield because there’s very little traffic on the back roads in that area and I can enjoy the scenery (and sometimes wildlife).

      But in the end, despite it’s problems, I prefer being here than anywhere else. There’s just something about the Island that makes me happy to call it home.

      That’s how I feel anyways.

    2. The cost of living isn’t relative here, it’s unsustainable. If you earn middle class wages you can’t rely on strictly your income. It has to be subsidized somehow, either by parents or by splitting rents with roommates, etc. A coworker of mine started a new family and was only able to afford the shack he lives in when his parents put up $100,000 as a down payment on a new house, which still left him with a $200,000 mortgage, high property taxes, and a variable mortgage rate that can soak up most of his income easily. His experience is not atypical.

  97. I’ve looked at a lot of these comments and believe that everyone has a point. You can surround yourself with good and have things be better. You can adjust your attitude as well. But I lived on LI for most of my childhood and couldn’t wait to get out! I moved out west.
    LI (and Baltimore, sorry to say), are the two places I’ve been, and I’ve been to a lot, where entering with a smile has prompted a scowl.

  98. I take it the writer is a liberal arts major who is just upset he couldn’t find a job and afford to stay here after his parents kicked him out. I know the liberal arts thing is true because reading the ‘About’ section makes it pretty clear the writer is an all around hipster. Probably some sexual frustration in there too behind writing the article.

    1. Oh you got me, man. Totally pegged. You should be a profiler with the FBI, as you are clearly gifted with brilliant, intuitive insights into the human psyche.

  99. What a nice review. Every place has its good and bad and except for the traffic and high cost of living Long Island is a great place to live. Anyone who doesn’t like it is free to go. Those who hate it and choose to stay probably make up the crazy population you speak of. 🙂

  100. All places have their good and bad. You’ve read the bad … on the good side this tiny region has raised more Intel science award winners then the State of California … 45 minutes from NYC, 45 minutes from the Hamptons … despite what the author said, LI has many beautiful beaches … in the vast majority of neighborhoods you can walk freely, no looking over your shoulder for fear of crime … an incredibly array of activities/ programs for LI Youth … during Superstorm Sandy it was fellow LI’ers that lent helping hands for neighbors & still do, two years later … LI is also a very charitable & giving community … so yes, there’s traffic, brats, bureaucracy … but for me, and many others Long Island is a great place to live!!!!

    1. Seriously, this is a load of crap. I was right in the middle of Hurricane Sandy, and did not see this sudden outpouring of wubsie wubs and community helping hands in the aftermath. You know what I did see, gas lines that stretched for literally over a mile at 2AM, and whole blocks of neighborhoods looking like war zones that still remained untouched even weeks after the storm. If people helped each other, they were helping within their own cliques/posses, which again reinforces what was said before about LI being a bubble, filled with micro-cliques of dweebs with an inflated and unfounded sense of self-importance and superiority.

      1. Frank, Notice when I wrote, I didn’t make any personal claims toward your statement (b%^&*ing, complaining, etc,,,) … yet I correctly state that LI’ers lent a helping hand to each other and you say it’s a load of crap!!! You’re right, the gas lines were long, very long … they were long on LI and all the boroughs until we switched up to alternatives days … anyway,I wish you well where ever you live, obviously LI is not for you. In this case, good for you, good for LI – negativity, blaming, complaining is a downer to most … no matter where one lives!

      2. I’m addressing your assertion (whether written or implied) that LI has a sense of community, but what you call community I call cliques. We could belabor the differences all night long, but this is an important distinction that I make. LIers do not simply help fellow LIers out, they help those within their own cliquish circles out, who just HAPPEN to be fellow LIers.

      3. cliques/ posses = neighbors. Your use of cliques/ posses have such a negative tone to it … the fact is neighbors were helping neighbors – nothing wrong with that!

      4. It is meant in a negative sense, and indicative of the cultural rot here. Those who live inside the bubble are going to have a different perspective though, which I get really, but my blog post isn’t really meant for them.

      5. The best thing in NY? Better than the Adirondacks? She’s on drugs.

        This comment says it all though, lol: “long island is a practical joke played upon the middle class. in a state which has the biggest divide between rich and poor long island stands out as an grand buffet of filthy rich @%@$holes alongside broke workers who live to work and work to live. you pay near city prices without most of the amenities that the city offers. it also offers the false promise of privacy and reclusiveness which is also nearly impossible to find. in short its the worst of both worlds.”


      6. Fine I’ll give you that, and because I’m such a sweetheart I’ll give you All American Burgers too (although Five Guys just etches it out).

  101. Just a bunch of people who think that the sun rises when they wake and sets when they fall asleep, they think that speeding and driving recklessly won’t affect anyone along with littering and being a complete d-bag…. majority of them claiming their family or themselves are from Italy.

  102. Frank, other than taxation and traffic– I couldn’t disagree more with your ramblings. I’ve visited 48 of the 50 states and NY/Long Island is a special place. You’re certainly entitled to your opinion but it sounds like you’ve been shut in too long and would also recommend you scale back on your meds…… and oh yeah— please move??!!!

    1. If you (as you claim) visited 48 states and still think LI is a special snowflakey place of awesome, you are either:

      1. Lying

      2. On powerful hallucinogens

      3. Mentally Deranged

      or more likely, all of the above.

  103. While I don’t hate Long Island as much as you do I understood everything you said. My husband and I grew up there but we knew we would never afford a decent house in a nice town (we could have lived in a not nice town but we would still pay ridiculous taxes to live in a dump) so two years ago we moved to New Hampshire and it was the best thing we have ever done. Beautiful state, wonderful normal people and we are healthier both financially and mentally without all the stress, traffic and ugliness of Long Island. Every time we visit our families we have the same type of discussion-why do so many people live here?! For the ridiculously high taxes, rude people, and traffic? We can’t wait to leave the second we cross the bridge! The sooner you can leave the better! Good luck!

    1. I LOVE New Hampshire. The first time I ever visited I was completely struck by how friendly the people were and how high the mountains are. I think they’re the largest mountains you can find outside of the Rockies, and it shows. I’m actually hoping to go back this fall. 🙂

  104. Wow this article is SPOT ON!!!! I HATE LI with all my heart and soul and I don’t even live there. I just commute to work there every now and then and cannot wrap my head around how people can live in that cesspool. Ughhh what a nasty place with high-headed, cocky millionaires and clueless middle class who is getting choked to death. And don’t even get me started on the bloody LIE and the various, meaningless, expressways and highways that are basically 18 hours/day parking lots. If I had millions I still won’t live in the Hamptons or on LI. It is just not worth it. Disgusting congested sewer of a place.

  105. Frank, I couldn’t agree with you more- especially about the bi-polar populous. I’ve lived elsewhere and I cannot understand why people here a so down right nasty and inconsiderate to those outside the clique – meaning the rest of the general public. The restaurants are lousy, the supermarkets filthy, and the roads criminally bad. The landscape hasn’t changed in decades and people consistently fight progress. I’d ask if you were single but you sound a lot younger than me. Thanks for the belly laughs.

    1. Haha, you’re welcome Claire! Since the landscape won’t change it’s time for me to make my own change (of scenery) Hopefully that time will come early 2015!

      1. You can get away from a region; but you can’t get away from yourself. I can’t imagine any region of the country could cause me such disdain. I, like everyone is responsible for our own happiness no matter where we live. Hope you’re happier where ever you go!!! – David, Long Island, NY

    2. can’t we all have a mini get together because clearly we all have one thing in common: we are very different than most long islanders…(hashtag justsayin’)

  106. I grew up on Long Island and it sucks big time! It’s flat, gray, ugly, dismal, the weather sucks and 95% of the people there are moronic spirit crushing $$$holes. I finally got out for good and moved to the Bay Area in 1979 and couldn’t be happier. My lifer friends who have never been off that ugly little island don’t understand why I left, but it’s like eating sh*& all your life, so you wouldn’t understand what lobster tastes like. I don’t really feel bad for them since that dismal life is all they know, but I’m soooo glad I got outta that nasty toxic environment. F*&^ LONG ISLAND!!!

    1. I’ll be moving in the spring! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Not sure exactly where yet but at least it won’t be Long Suckland!

      I figure the girlfriend part can come after I settle into my new abode. 😉

  107. I hate living on Long Island myself, and cannot wait till I can move away. This year I have been looking at different places and trying to focus on finances to ensure it happens before the fall of next year. I also liked Tennessee as a possible future home. I stayed in the Townsend area for a week over the summer and did some preliminary house hunting! Wherever you choose to move I hope you enjoy it 🙂

    1. I’ve heard good things about Townsend, nice choice! I’m actually reconsidering Tennessee myself (over Colorado) mainly because of no state income taxes, I’d get back over $3000 a year extra money just by living there, so it’s something to consider.

  108. Not trying to bash or badmouth ‘the island’ also being a ‘native’ of the place, but honestly, living there was a boondoggle and leaving there was one of the best things that’s ever happened for me in my life. It was too costly, too cramped, and too stressful, and there was not enough natural beauty or peace and quiet. I personally never had any intention or thought whatsoever of leaving Long Island until certain circumstances in my life (including Sandy) brought me out West two years ago. Now, since I left, I realize how blind I was the whole time, to a certain unfortunate reality about the place. I mean, I have learned that no matter where you live or what you have, by working to change yourself and overcome whatever your faults you might have, you can certainly improve your life. But, I realize now that simply changing where you live can also be a huge help. I have learned that, as a fact of life, there are going to be these forces and pressures that ceaselessly work against finding true happiness. From someone who was born and lived there my whole life until recently, I can say that those built-in forces and pressures of life that we all face are simply not as strong elsewhere as they are on Long Island. And I have also found, sadly, that these many overwhelming social and economic pressures, as discussed at length in the blog post and comments, are simply not made up for in return by anything else. Not a prideful association to some famous people, nor some nice but overcrowded beaches, nor even the readily available and admittedly tasty bagels and pizza.

    Thanks for an informative and entertaining blog and comments section, Frank and everyone.

    (tl;dr) Lived on LI from birth until two years ago; the few pros do not outweigh the many cons of living there.

    1. I feel the same way X.Guy, it’s true that some people are determined to be miserable no matter where they go, but you expressed very eloquently why living situations can override even your best efforts to be happy. It’s like being in prison, how much fault can one find with a guy who’s unhappy he’s in prison? Someone might berate him and say, “You CHOOSE to be miserable, that’s why you’re unhappy!” To which the inmate would reply, “No, I’m unhappy because I’m in #$#&ING PRISON.”

      There are too many people whose lives have been transformed, literally transformed (for the better) just by leaving Long Island. I hope those in which this island has not been a good fit for all find a way off and find the happiness they’re looking for.

  109. So i found this after googling “long island sucks” to find some commiseration I’ll admit it. This was after travelling 22 miles round trip through shopping districts of central suffolk. And thus taking way too long due to traffic and being surrounded by an endless supply of strip malls. I’m from upstate, but have been living on long island since 2006. The decision to move was based on proximity to my family and an opportunity for me at Stony Brook University. I agree with a lot of the original post, not so much with the personal life aspects however.

    Really I could tell countless stories about why I dislike long island but i’ll just tell a few:

    In 2012, election day, after work I went to my local polling place to vote. As you may recall queuing to vote was an issue, which was the case at my polling place. However, the line was not even that long (perhaps 20 people). It was about 6pm i’d say. When I got close to the table where voters i’d themselves I noticed an nice, sweet, women in here late 70’s or early 80’s volunteering by taking voters names prior to dispatching them to a machine. She seemed excited to be helping…until folks in the line started complaining about the short wait (maybe 5 – 10 minutes). All of a sudden the lovely, elderly volunteers joy seemed to melt away as the complaints towards her continued. Another woman volunteer, perhaps in her mid 40’s, came up to console her and offer encouragement that she was doing a great job. Yet, with some sadness and emotion the older woman replied: “I’m trying to help but they are all getting mad at me… 😦 . My heart sank after she said this, but the complaints continued. As I looked to see (and make disapproving eye contact) with the complainers they were all middle aged people to my dismay!! Rude to the %^&king MAX!! Seriously??!!

    Next is an encounter with a young man whom was maybe, and I do mean MAYBE 5’3” tall. Yet he walked around like he was the biggest tough guy there was and we all owe him a favor. Dealing with him was a supreme exercise of my patience and I almost lost it a few times. I was honestly at a lost for words ’cause I’d never encountered someone with such a large napoleon complex in my life. Normally I like to distance myself from folks like this but under the circumstance this wasn’t an option. I mean I’m still baffled by this dude’s behavior to this day. If he continues he will get himself in some serious trouble!!

    Which brings me to my next point. Something I’ve noticed about rude folks around here is that they are quick to spit negativity to you from a distance but when push comes to shove and you bring it back to them in their face they are quick to play the victim and call the police. Where i grew up the state troopers and local sheriffs weren’t everywhere like the suffolk pd. For instance I can recall two neighbors of mine in some sort of dispute. They were upstairs, and downstairs to one another. The downstairs neighbor gets a restraining order on the upstairs neighbor! And a week or so later the upstairs neighbor goes to jail and has to post $12k bail for release. This is over to ^&*ing words!!! I’ve seen much worse neighborly conflicts get sorted face to face, no law enforcement, but again this was in my home town.

    I understand people do like it here. And if you have a strong social/family network I can see how it would be ok. But those people that proclaim Long Island is so beautiful and the best place on earth need to get out. Where I come from isn’t the most beautiful place either but at least I’m honest about it. Live somewhere cheaper, even with lower relative salaries you will save money trust me I know. Take that savings and go to some real beaches a short plain ride away and stop telling me about west hampton and robert moses.

    Fix the overpopulation on Long Island and people will relax a lot more, traffic will calm down, housing prices will drop, and it will be a better place to live. In the meantime I have no patience whatsoever for rude people and my natural knee jerk reaction is to put them in there place when it’s directed towards me. However I’m getting sick and tired of doing this and am looking for an opportunity to leave myself. Don’t get me wrong I’ve met some cool folks out here. But the minority of rude people that does exist are so loud it’s fairly unbearable.

    Ahhh…i feel better now. haha…thanks for this post.

    1. Thanks for sharing! I’ve actually seen that behavior from short men at my job. My folks and I would crack about it by calling it “little man syndrome,” where they have a napoleon complex in order to compensate for a shorter height. We just had to deal with some of the rudeness you’ve commented on the other day at a BJS Warehouse. People just seem to SNAP if they have to wait more than 5 seconds to get through a line. These things used to happen every now and then, but now it seems to be an everyday occurrence. I think we’ve crossed a threshold here, and I’m truly hoping my folks and I escape before whatever powder keg this island is sitting on finally explodes.

  110. I just moved to Tampa recently. And i must the traffic here is horrible. you are correct in your statement Long island has gone down the tubes. I hope i can make here. Miss Long Island already strange as it sounds.

  111. I moved away from LI in 1990. I missed it at first, but traveling in the military, then settling in MA, I would never live there again. Much of my family is still there, and they never leave. They have that attitude that LI is the best place on earth. Well, how could one truly know when they have never experienced anything else. The traffic, the traffic cameras, the speed limits, the rudeness, the living on top of each other, high taxes, and no room to move drive me crazy. Can’t rid a motorcycle there and enjoy it. Can’t go hiking without running into a million people. Can’t carry a gun unless you are special. I used to think LI was the greatest also, but I have been back and fourth so many times, and in MA, I feel it’s like LI when I was a kid, but not growing as rapidly. I am happy I do not live on LI, and my favorite part of being down there, is when I cross the whitestone bridge, hit the hutch, and on my way back to MA. Granted, MA home prices are almost as high as LI, comparable to Suffolk, you have more room between you neighbors, many time backing up to conservation land, that cannot be built on. It’s just way better all of the way around, as long as you don’t mind driving 5-10 minutes to get to a store. Well worth it for me.

    1. I’m glad you found happier times in Massachusetts! The real estate prices where you are might be comparable, but as you said you’re getting a LOT more in return for your investment than you would have for the same price on Long Island.

  112. Hey man, I can totally relate you nailed it. I was a grad student at stony brook for 5 years, finally I have a nice job in the city and live in Brooklyn, I didn’t realize how bad the place was after coming to live here. Unfortunately my girlfriend is still goes to school on Long Island or what is known as the fart trail of Brooklyn according to a sitcom character. She hates the city and I can’t for the life of me imagine why and likes the s***hole called Long Island, as fate would have it I love her and I may end up moving back to the island, and I am bawling like a child begging her to give the city a chance but she refuses to listen. God help me, I don’t want to move back there but I may have to for the sake of love.

    1. Ok so, you have a girlfriend who:

      A) Loves Long Island

      B) Won’t compromise with you on a more agreeable living situation

      Here’s my advice: Run from this girl. Run very fast. Don’t look back. Find a lovely tall blonde who lives in Tribeca and be happy again.

  113. I totally agree! I live and work in NJ, but I deliver to hell (Long Island). You said pretty much everything I been thinking! The worst areas for road rage, speeding, dummies and impatience has to be: 1. Nesconset, and Nesconset Highway area including Nicholls Rd, Centereach area North & South, 2. All of the LIE from West to East. 3. Rockville Center, Sunset Highway is a mess. You can only make left turns in select areas off that %^&*hole highway. 4. New York Ave in Huntington. You have speeders, slow pokes, tailgaters all on one 30mph road with no cops in sight. 5. Walt Whitman Shops area. Right by the mall. Straight dummies over there. Do people even sleep? I am there at 3am and its packed like it is 8am in NJ. Hate delivering there and I hope the rioters and protesters burn it down

    1. Thanks for visiting Shawn. It’s depressing to see even as far as Nesconset the landscape is still pretty bad. I thought of moving further out east as a possible way to avoid some of the congestion and save on expenses, but there really seems to be no place for me here.

  114. Long Island Zombie Fever : if you put a bunch of rude people in a small place, eventually the rest of the people will become rude while defending themselves.

    Impressed by how much time it must have taken to write up all of that detail about Long Island life. I wish you luck in building a calmer better future.


  115. I am so glad to find this article…I thought it was just me…being a native New Englander…this place has been hell. I can learn to go with the flow on most things, but the people have been a big challenge. Hot and cold is right, a friend one day, foe the next. Sharpen your: social climbing skills, manipulative behavior, ability to lie to someone to their face, backstab and all other qualities you look for in a “good friend.” I got one-year left in me, that’s it.

  116. I agree with some things in here. It is very expensive to live here, and once I graduate college I’m out of here. But, the only thing I found a little ridiculous is that there ARE good people here. You can’t just assume that everyone here is greedy and nasty or whatever you said. It makes you sound ignorant, because I doubt you have gotten the chance to meet and personally know every single Long Islander.

    I do agree with your comment on 347. I hate driving here. It’s absolutely horrendous how no one can comprehend the idea of the left lane being for faster traffic.

    I also don’t know if I would say Long Island is disgusting because there are some nice areas to visit. I personally like going down port in the summer even just for a day.

    I am definitely moving, but Long Island is still my hometown so I won’t completely rip on it since I have had plenty of good times here.

    Go to King of Prussia in PA, or Delhi, upstate.. It’s even worse.

    My question to you is; if you hate it so much why don’t you leave?

    1. I don’t think anyone is saying there aren’t good people here. But the bad vastly outnumber the good. If you have to make a considerable effort to dig the jewels out of the landfill that is Long Island, chances are you’re not going to be happy here (unless you’re part of the landfill).

      As for leaving, you ever actually try moving from one state to another? It’s not as easy as it sounds. You have to get a job first. And how about when you don’t have family in other states? Even harder.

      I will be leaving though (THANK YOU JESUS), but it took amassing a considerable nest egg (made harder due to Long island’s high cost of living) as well as transitioning to a completely different career (not just a lateral move, an entirely different career) to make such a move possible.

      Don’t be one of those flippant sort who remain completely ignorant as to the difficulties of migrating from one place to another, especially when they don’t have a lot of money or family in other areas of the country to rely on to help them relocate.

  117. I’m definitely late to this post, but thanks for the great read. I was born on Long Island and have lived here all my life, and all your complaints are valid. I have learned living here, there is a small group of people who are fairly normal and good to relate to, however they are all desperate to leave, or have already. I’m currently looking at other states, Oregon and Washington in particular, to move to. The jobs market here is horrendous, the salaries are ridiculously low. As a recruiter I’m dealing with that issue all the time, and I have to patiently explain to people that is the market rate for a job is 100K, you’re not likely to find someone at 45K. The middle class here is decimated, and employers are forever pushing salaries lower and lower and lower, and offering jack $%^& in terms of off time and benefits while pushing hours worked well over 60 on average.

    And, having driven in more than a few states now both during normal and rush hour times, I agree, Long Island is in a class all its own. It took me a while to figure out why, but it comes down to this: traffic on Long Island, more than anywhere else I’ve driven, is more often and more obviously the result of stupidity than anything else. It’s not just volume, you get that anywhere. It’s morons who can’t drive and who never should have been allowed in a car.

    The women? Well that’s a rough one. I’ve met and dated quite a lot of nice, down to earth women on Long Island. They’ve almost all left. But there is an overload of wallet rapers here that’s insane, and the guido factor is massive as well. It’s Jersey Shore without the charm or humility, the amount of detritus you have to wade through to find a decent woman to speak to, or a decent guy for the women, is staggering.

    Overall I’d say it’s an aging, rich, politically connected population that’s out of touch and quickly losing its base that’s the cause of all Long Island’s problems. The geezers in charge of everything don’t realize for the most part their their kids are leaving, or hate the place. And instead of lightening the tax burden or loosening housing regs to allow the construction of more apartments, and prevailing upon business leaders to at least do salary surveys and, if not raise wages, at least admit they’re paying 50% under market in many instances, and often not enough for even one person to rent a closet, and acknowledge the problems that might cause if the majority of your population can’t afford a place to sleep, the morons in charge just come up with more boondoggles to allow corrupt contracting firms to build condos and sell them at $1,000,000 bucks a square foot. And they do this while living in houses they bought in the 60s that would selling for millions at this point in time, not realizing that if they were to have come out here now, there would be no way in hell they could build a life as they did before. It’s too expensive, the jobs aren’t there, and when they are, the pay is so low it’s ridiculous.

    Long Island means ungodly housing prices, ridiculously expensive costs of living outside of housing, hours upon hours upon hours stuck in traffic, and bars full of guys with popped collars and an unholy orange tinge to their skin, either from the jaundice due to the steroids or perpetual molestation of fake bake products, and jobs that pay so little going into debt is a requirement to stay, or you could simply not have a social life. I’ve been interviewing in other states over the phone. Nothing has come yet, but the second an offer comes, I’m at the point where I don’t care where it is. Almost all my friends have left, the ones that remain want out ASAP. It’s time for me to get the hell out of here too.

    1. Thanks for sharing NC. On the off chance that I would have to remain here, I did another sweep of apartment options, and LOL. It’s telling that I can take a $20,000 to $30,000 pay cut and still enjoy the same quality of living in other states. There really is nothing for me here, so I hope it’s only a matter of time before I can finally leave for good, even if it means leaving a safe government job for a chance in the private sector.

      If you’re looking in the Pacific Northwest, I would recommend Washington State with all the major tech companies (if that’s your background) located there for the best job opportunities. I’ve been there several times now, and I find the suburbs like Redmond, Bellevue, etc. to be polar opposites with Long Island (except for congested traffic, but even the you get much less stressed out over it). Oregon doesn’t offer as many options, and I found Portland to be a bit grimy and hippie-weird compared to Seattle. As far as climate, jobs, quality of living, etc, it’s hard to find a better opportunity than there, plus it’s as far away from Long island as you can get without pushing off to Alaska. 😉

  118. I’ve been to 20 countries to know you can find inflated real estate, traffic, “corruption”, and weird/unwelcoming people almost anywhere. I’ve been able to create something that works for me and hopefully you can do the same wherever you end up.

  119. I’m 31 years old, and I have lived on Long Island my entire life (in Suffolk county). The past few years my wife and I have been considering a move to Northern Virginia among other places. I think the reason so many people here are rude and miserable has a lot to do with some of the things you mentioned. People here are stressed. Many people commute 3-4 hours a day just to get to and from work. That involves car rides, train rides, subway rides, and cab rides. When they get home to their LITTLE house, that many pay almost $12,000 a year in taxes for, they spend little quality time with their family. Then they have to go to bed so they can make their long commute to work again the following morning. There is no work/life balance.

    The cost of living here is absurd. We’ve been looking for houses. Even houses in mediocre neighborhoods. Every house is run-down. Every house the taxes are at least $9,000 a year, and that’s for a SMALL piece of ^&*% house that needs at least $50,000 worth of rehab work. Want to send your kids to a good school? Well, God forbid we have one school district in Suffolk County and save some tax dollars. No, we need to have 100 different districts. This way the rich kids can go to school with rich kids and the poor kids can go to school with other poor kids. Want to send your kid to Half Hollow Hills? You can, but you’ll pay $12,000 – $16,000+ per year in taxes for it. How ridiculous is that? The cost of living is too high.

    I see it with my parents. Long Island has taken it’s toll. They worked their asses off their entire lives and will have a hard time retiring because of the exorbitant cost of living they endured here. Instead they paid for the cush retirements of all the overpaid teachers, police officers, and bureaucrats. Now my wife and I have to make a decision to leave or stay. What holds us back? I feel guilty leaving my family behind. I have two children and it kills me that they may only get to see their grandparents once or twice a year if I leave.

    One last thing I’d like to mention, and it’s a very big issue. The job market sucks on Long Island. There is no industry here. As I type this, I’m sitting at home with no job. I have a bachelors degree in an IT related discipline plus years of experience. It’s been almost three months and still NOTHING. Down in Northern Virginia I have had two job offers for BIG companies (and get this, they pay more there), and had to turn down both because we weren’t sure if we should make the move. We got cold feet, but I don’t think we can do this much longer.

    I have a lot of great memories here. I mean really, really, great memories with family and friends. Fun summers at the beach, fishing, camping, riding our bicycles around the neighborhood, building tree forts, etc… we were always out there even in winter too, especially if it snowed. Now when I drive around the same neighborhoods I grew up around, I can see it has changed. There aren’t nearly as many children. Years ago many people did home improvements, you don’t see that much either. Housing prices have dropped, but taxes keep going up higher and higher. So, now you’re left with areas that have scared away young families because of the high taxes and lack of jobs. And what’s left are small aging houses, that nobody wants to make bigger or update due to fear of higher taxes and lack of money because of the high cost of living. Long Island has changed, and we need to realize it’s not the place it was when we were younger. The Island has beautiful nature, but what good is it if you hardly ever get to see it?

    I could go on, but I’ll end it here. In summary many people here are miserable because…

    1) No work/life balance.
    2) High cost of living (mostly the taxes) even for small dilapidated homes.
    3) Lack of good jobs and industry close to home (unless you’re a police officer or teacher).
    4) Retire after you die.

    1. Great comment Chris!

      Moving from grandparents really suck, but barring what I know about their circumstances, they might surprise you by leaving too. My own parents are planning to follow me as well. We have no roots here, so for us, it’s much easier to just pick up and go.

      I would definitely consider Virginia, but only if you like the climate and the region, and feel it’s a good place to raise your ids. If not I would recommend keeping an active LinkedIn profile and applying for jobs on a regular basis there in regions you’re most interested in. This approach is the easiest way to mass apply for jobs, because you’re not left to constantly register at a zillion different sites just to apply for openings (which drove me crazy).

      Definitely have my sympathy, when I graduated college with a computer science degree, it still took me 18 months to find my first job, even during a time when the IT industry was booming. I’ll never forget that demoralizing experience.

    2. Chris,

      I work in IT recruiting on Long Island, my advice is to leave for VA. The market is supposedly getting ‘better,’ but I still have clients that are routinely sending my positions that should get easily 90-100K, and the salary they’re willing to pay is 60K. I have no idea what’s wrong with these people, all I know is it’s not getting better. Your best bet is to look in Manhattan, where at least the pay will be reasonable, and deal with the commute, or get the hell out of here. My brother, who left here for the very reasons you list, is currently trying to help me get out of here too. It’s a hell hole, and pretty soon there won’t be anyone left but the super rich and the people who clean their toilets. Everyone I know, and I mean EVERYONE, has either left already or is only staying because of family, and will leave as soon as that’s not an issue. This place is horrendous. I’m getting out ASAP, I recommend everyone do so.

      1. Thanks for the advice NC, I’ve actually secured a brand new job literally today, and will be leaving Long Island sometime in the spring. To say I’m shellshocked is an understatement. It’s like hearing that I’ve just been paroled from prison.

      2. Bonnie’s already there, it would just be a matter of picking her up before getting situated. 😀 More to come as the pieces slowly fall into place!

  120. Anyone uptight enough to divulge this many words on an abhorrence toward long islanders must be a lunatic in his own right and thus rightfully from Long Island.

    – love a calm normal long islander who finds this hilarious.

  121. So Frank, are you leaving soon? Would you give me some information about the car and house insurance cost on Long Island?

    1. That’s going to vary wildly, so I can only say I personally pay $1400 a year for car insurance (this after the good driver rating and defensive driving discounts are applied.) For home insurance that varies even more wildly, but some stats I’ve seen give a ROUGH estimate of it being 120% to 150% above the national average, so it’s not uncommon to see insurance rates from $1500 to $2200 a year or more. The Hurricane Sandy aftermath have pushed rates to beyond ridiculous too, forcing some owners to significantly raise their deductibles in order to shave the costs.

      If things work out for me I hope to leave spring or early summer. 🙂

  122. Thank you for your speedy response. My husband company asked him to relocate to Long Island so I’ve been doing my own research. We are paying $430 for about 1600sf single home per year; and paying about $1,000 per 2 cars a year in Southern California.

  123. I was searching for recent news on Long Island being in the top 10 most expensive places to live in USA and I ended up here haha. I hope you find that happier place soon.

    It sucks but I think I will have to move in the near future too. I’m 30, living with my parents, which isn’t a big deal in our Asian culture. But just looking at the cost to buy my own house in the future is mind-boggling. You can’t find a decent place to live unless you pay at least $400k! And if you do get that house, you are expected to pay $10k+ in taxes every year. It just doesn’t make sense to put my money down when I’m looking at similar/better houses in other states that only cost around $250k.

    Then you have to deal with traffic jams or rising fares for public transportation. Southern State is always packed because there are always accidents there. Meanwhile, you have the MTA raising fares constantly yet you can’t seem to see the improvements anywhere.

    I think if you want to live on Long Island, either be poor or rich. There’s no happy medium.

  124. Seriously? You berate me for complaining but then complain about where you live? Are you stupid?

    Wish you had stayed on Long Island then. We don’t need your kind going out and polluting the rest of the country with your crybaby complaints that the bagels elsewhere just aren’t as good.

    1. what town on long island did you grow up in? sounds like you had it rough. there are some nice people. sounds like you are speaking about turnpike trash.

      what about gc, rvc, manhasset? ever been to montauk?

      1. I’ve been to all those places, some have their positive side, but again, it’s still Long Island. Like a dark storm cloud, it casts a pall over everything, including the towns and people who are trying to make it better.

  125. “Get a life. You spent all these pages writing about your hatred. You are someone people would like to be with (not). Blaming your dating life on Long Island. Maybe it’s you people don’t want to be with. You’re a loser. You’ll never be happy about anything for a long period.”

    Spoken like a true Long Island native. You’ll never understand if you weren’t born and raised outside of Long Island, moron.

    1. I got an apartment in Farmingdale for around 1200. It’s not bad, but you’re right about the section 8ers and the roaches. I dumped enough boric acid to kill a heard of buffalo, so no more roaches. But my low class ‘neighbors’ spend the majority of their time screaming at each other, and I have to deal with repo guys and bill collectors coming for them all the time. I saw those apartments, my mother’s friend told me about them. Built specifically to ‘attract young people to the area.’ $2700 for a one bed room apartment, right next to a train station, and right across the street from where some nut job hacked his mother’s head off and dumped her body in the road. That’s ‘affordability’ on Long Island these days. I don’t know anyone who could afford those apartments on a single income. And I went on an interview on a lark the other day with some recruiter, the position she was offering was paying 40K, and they wanted 5 years of experience. At 40K.

      It never ceases to amaze me, how insane employers on the island are.

      1. I think most people just hook up with roommates to split the rent. It’s the only way to come even close to paying these kinds of rates as a middle class worker. I also don’t get people who think me asking for an apartment that’s clean and legal is borne out of a sense of undeserved entitlement. Really? I’m not asking for the Hilton here, just a roof over my head that doesn’t leak, and legal rights as a tenant (especially with a service dog soon in tow.) That’s nearly impossible here.

        Now that I’m moving though, one of the apartments I’m considering out of state has a balcony overlooking the mountains, a fireplace, washer/dryer, great amenities and a remote garage all for $800 a month. I can’t even fathom the astounding difference in rents outside of Long Island here, and for gorgeous apartments too. You can make 40K, live in a decent place, and still have enough to go to Disney World every year. It’s incredible that employers on LI completely ignore the astronomical cost of living and pay workers wages that would only make sense if you were living in Kansas. And people living in the LI bubble continue to make excuses for this. Shame on them.

    2. Most people outside Long Island don’t fathom our rents. Even is areas which pay less, they usually don’t pay THAT much less, and the rent is still such a massively lower portion of your income. The same goes for mortgages. Here on the island, rent can easily be 50% or more of your take home for a d**n studio apartment. If you want to live in an illegal apartment in someone’s basement you can get that down a good bit. What’s more, the old corrupt toads who run the island politically still think it’s the 50s, 60s, and 70s, when new houses went for a song and everyone was riding high on good jobs and GI loan, and the L.I.E. was still a dirt road out east. I have a feeling when this place dives it’s going to go fast and hard. That’s why I want to be out ASAP, before that happens. Congrats on getting out of here yourself, it’s going to be the best move you’ll ever make.

      I was speaking to my brother recently, he kind of saw the beginning of this trend in the 80s and 90s. His first job was for some moron who ran a wire company, and refused to pay anyone but the barest subsistence wages, and meanwhile he’s living in a d**n mansion on the north shore. His turnover was horrendous, I’ve spoken to people who worked there in the past. But he knew he could get away with it because they’ve got a captive labor force on the island; it’s work out here for a crap salary and 30-40 minute commute each way, or Manhattan for a much better salary but an extra 3-4 hours lost each day in commuting. Too many millionaires here who either never knew what it was like to live on a wage, because they got Mommy and Daddy’s money, or simply forgot.

  126. You made me laugh out loud while reading this. There are many truths and sadly, I can relate to many of the same situations you have experienced. You forgot to mention the women who dress as though they should be on a makeover show with the nails, the gold, and the sense of entitlement. Another habit that is annoying is the need for people to repeat over and over again. I have lived in the real upstate NY and Brooklyn and I never heard such ramblings until I moved here.

    I am happy you are escaping and I am green with envy I cannot. Good luck with your new venture.

    1. Thanks Michele!!! Keep the faith too, it took me a LONG, LONG time before such a move was possible, first paying off loans, building a nest egg, cutting all ties that would keep me here, and finally a career change that gives me the autonomy to live anywhere. If I can make it though, anyone can. =) Good luck and keep persevering!

  127. OMG!! I seriously totally 100% agree. I am a born and bred native of Queens, and while Queens may have it’s downfalls, Long Island is a pit!! I hate when I have to go there. It’s a ghetto with like 1 nice neighborhood and it’s filled with (for lack of a better term) retards that think it’s California in the summer. I really wish they would make it it’s own state and keep with white trash out of my city!

  128. Frank, I haven’t had the chance to read through all the responses yet, but I have to say that your description of Long Island is priceless and so very, very accurate :). In fact, in many cases, you’ve taken the words right out of my mouth (as my wife will happily testify). I’m not from Long Island. I’m from Europe. I moved here in 2012, but within a few days of arriving, I realized that this “fish-shaped extension” was the breeding ground for the rudest, most selfish, most arrogant people I’ve ever come across (and that’s saying something considering I’ve lived and worked all over Europe and visited many countries around the world).

    Drivers here are the worst on the planet. It’s claimed by many that Italian and French roads are nightmares to drive on, but the people who make this claim have never driven on Long Island. Italian and French drivers are timid in comparison to the crazies who let themselves loose on Long Island’s parkways everyday. Considering the insane way that people drive here, I don’t understand why there aren’t more accidents. It defies all logic.

    Customer service is also non-existent on this protruding lump of over-populated land that used to be home to Native American Indians when it was still a paradise a few hundred years ago before the Europeans came and took the land from them. I’ve had better customer service from zombies. I’ve also lost count of the supermarkets that blatantly breach New York’s Health and Hygiene regulations. I’ve never in my life come across such dirty supermarkets as here on Long Island and, I must say, also in Brooklyn, Queens and New York City. It really is quite shameful when compared with the high standards of hygiene in European supermarkets (and especially in Britain).

    Like you, I’m also fed up with having to drive for miles to get some peace and quiet. My neighbors kids make enough noise to wake the dead, but is there a noise ordinance law In Nassau Country to deal with these excessively noisy children and their irresponsible parents? Not at all. Where I come from, there’s a 24-hour noise ordinance to cover this type of selfish, anti-social behavior. By law (in New York as well) people have a right to the ‘Quiet Enjoyment’ (to use a legal term) of their homes. Kids will be kids, of course, but it doesn’t mean that they should be allowed to scream and run wild. It’s called good upbringing. These days it’s frowned upon by parents who think that their kids should be allowed to do whatever they want whenever they want. How sad is this? If only these silly people would realize that keeping their kids under a bit of control will actually be good for them when they grow up. I’m not talking about putting tape over their mouths. I’m talking about bringing them up to have respect for themselves and other people. I’m talking about bringing them up so that they don’t automatically expect to have everything they want. This behavior is rife here. Why should New York City have stronger noise ordinance laws than Long island? It doesn’t make sense.

    Anyway, I’ve had enough. I’m leaving. I’m going back to Europe. Europe isn’t perfect but we have hardly any gun crime and most countries have very efficient health care programs. We also have much less racism than in the states, and in general, most people respect the law. Here on Long Island, people act as if they are a law unto themselves. If you tell someone to please take their dog off the beach, they tell you to f*** off. If you tell a bad driver that he/she didn’t signal before pulling out (and thereby almost causing an accident), he/she tells you to f*** off. I’m sick and tired of this awful attitude. Where I come from, if someone tells you you messed up (and you did mess up), you have the guts to admit it and apologize. You don’t give people the finger (as they do here on Long Island).

    If I ever come back to the States (which is quite possible), it will definitely not be to Long Island and it will almost certainly not be to New York State.

    Frank, I wish you good luck wherever you’re heading. It can only be better than here. Keep us up to date. I’ll check your blog every few days to see how you’re doing. Take care.

  129. I am making the same exact move. Brookhaven Town to Morganton/Hickory this summer. Job Relocation….

    1. Nice, hope the move goes well! I’ve been close to that area while visiting the Smokies too. Lots of scenic places to visit nearby. 🙂

  130. Thank you so much for writing this. I have disliked living on Long Island for years. I have traveled and lived in other places…and I always returned to Long Island to live with my family. In the past five or so years, I haven’t been able to last here for more than five months at a time.

    To think positively, I would say, Long Island is a great place to live if you need encouragement to travel or move away to a foreign place. I believe my desire to travel and see new places is part of my personality, but I really feel like my overwhelming hatred for my home has encouraged me to implement my travel plans, haha. I think many people who are hesitant to travel for extensive periods of time are much too comfortable with their roots.

    Also, moving from the NY area to most places in the US, is an amazingly positive transition. Growing up in NY, you’re used to being ripped off. You expect to pay a ridiculous price for rent…so when you move somewhere else and find a place for $400 a month, you feel so incredibly grateful. You feel like a winner and then, you slowly begin to rebuild your faith.

    In my experience, I’ve learned that it’s okay to dislike a place. In fact, in my situation, it isn’t the place in particular, it’s the lifestyle. I don’t like shopping. I don’t like driving. I like nature. I like art and culture. All these things make Long Island a s****y place to live.

    Yes, Long Island is nice because of its proximity to New York City and its pleasant areas like Fire Island and Montauk…but those places are not part of your everyday life (unless you go through a tiring and hellish commute every day into the city). If the best part of the place you live is an hour or two away…then the place you live in is not worth living in.

    By the way, I am sharing rather positive thoughts about the s****y Long Island experience because I am moving out west next month. So, I don’t plan to ever live here again. Congrats to you on moving.

    1. Thanks Claire! I’m already amazed at how agreeable the property manager I’m in contact with for a new apartment in a new state has been to help me make the transition in the next few months. So unlike the current one, who has been vindictive and petty. The apartment I’m looking into is nearly 2/3s cheaper with twice the amenities. Unreal. It’s like traveling to an alternate universe.

    2. Those “great escape” places on Long Island include the North Fork. I lived there for seven years and let me tell you — though it’s beautiful — it’s even more insane (I bet) than some of the more suburbia places westward… I’m going to write about it soon.

  131. Having lived on Long Island for 15.5 years, I agree with your insightful essay. I would only add that the icing on this cake of misery is the Long Island Rail Road, which has caused almost as much anger and frustration as the Taliban, Vladimir Putin, and Bernard Madoff.

  132. I have to admit….I’m stuck here….just a lil east of Smithtown. Stuck….in what I call a cesspool of high taxes….obnoxious….drugged up…alcoholics….and corrupt people of all kinds. I’m in my mid 50s….lived here my entire life witnessing how over populated and congested our towns have become. I can only imagine what the next 10 to 20 years will bring. I find with so many different cultures mixing within or communities that people aren’t as open and friendly as it use to be many years ago. Frank I agree with everything you have said.

    1. JC, I hope you find your escape as well. My parents will be moving too soon because it’s simply not possible to live here on retirement income.

  133. I came across this post while searching for reasons to get out of NYC. I grew up in Port Jeff. Station and moved to Queens in 2000. While I can relate to your comments about overcrowding, traffic, and weird people I never experienced the smell of garbage and some of the other negatives you mentioned. What part of Long Island did you grow up in? This can make all the difference. I agree there are some parts of LI that are trashy and crime ridden. While others are beautiful and full of friendly people. Out of all the kids I went to HS with I would say half of them left and the other half stayed. The Long Island I knew and grew up in has changed. Everytime I drive out to visit my parents I have mixed emotions. Some are nostalgic and filled with good thoughts while others remind me of why I left in the first place. I think we are all influenced by our experiences and some of us desire to create new ones elsewhere. BTW Stony Brook University has a large native Long Island population.

    1. I grew up in Nassau County, which is pretty much Brooklyn without the charm now. While I agree some areas are slightly less horrible than others, the overall island stinks teh poopies. I mean that metaphorically BTW. I don’t think I ever said Long Island smelled of garbage, though I’m too lazy to go back and check for sure. I remember saying that of New Jersey though, but not Long Island (which stinks for different reasons, lol).

  134. People on LI are unthinking, materialistic s*** bags with horrible taste in music and the cultural horizons of a blind leper locked in a crate.

  135. Thanks for writing my article for me, you saved me a lot of time! I had the unfortunate experience of having to live there for about 7 miserable years. I had gotten married to a girl from NYC that had relatives & a lot of friends in Nassau County. I finally got out (alone:-( TIP TO OTHERS SO YOU DON’T MAKE THE SAME MISTAKE I MADE. If a girl from NY says, she doesn’t want to live there long term, would never raise kids there, will be out of there after a few years, etc. As a friend told me (to late), “If you marry a girl from NY and the 1st place you live isn’t OUTSIDE OF NY, she’s never leaving!” How right he was! She never planned on leaving NY, & all her talk about not living there long-term was a 100% lie!
    You left out a few things (which is totally understandable), one main thing I can think of is the job market. As you mentioned, the cost of living on LI is insane. But your pretty much trapped (unless you willing to commute over an hour and a half each way or more, by driving or carpooling to New Jersey or Upstate NY in rush hour traffic, a lot of fun!). You only have two choices, 1. Work on LI, Where they don’t pay so well & definitely not enough to “Live Well” even with a high level education. Or 2. Take the LIRR into NYC everyday, where the pay is better, though still over an hour commute, but at least your not driving (& probably the one positive thing I can think of when I think of LI, is the LIRR trains, which for the most part, were nice & comfortable), though the cost of a monthly ticket is quite high, currently (depending on Zone) $184-$377 a month. I only counted up to Zone 10 as I know many people that commute daily from Zone 10, i.e. Port Jefferson, Ronkonkoma. But left out the last two Zones, Zone 12, $446, & Zone 14, $485 (I’m not sure where Zones 11 & 13 went), as they’re way out east near the end of the island & doubt very many people do the 3-4hr each way daily commute from that far. The downside of the LIRR is all your eggs are in one basket. That’s pretty much (as far as I know) the only way in & out. So any problem, like, a broken down train blocking a track, smoke in a tunnel, switching problems at Jamaica, or the worst, the Union going on strike, your pretty much screwed & after a long day of work when you just want to get home, it can easily take you an extra few hours, I’ve gotten home as late as 9:30-10p.m.! While if you live just over the GWB in New Jersey you have a lot more options, including NYC, but also, all the businesses in New Jersey right over the border from NYC, & Upstate NY.
    I’ve also noticed, speaking off “Drinking the Water” that Bloomberg got to it. If you mention you own(ed) a firearm before moving to LI, or have one in LI, (at least something like a pump Shotgun isn’t to hard to own in LI, for now…), your looked at like a lunatic that’s one step away from becoming another “Mass-Shooter”, & when you tell them that in your last place you own(ed) a Handgun with 17 Round Magazines, they start asking if your some kind of special agent or special police as they can’t imagine a regular citizen owning a 17 Round Magazine, I know NY had to change & allows 10 Round Magazines, but do they still only allow you to load 7 Bullets into it? I thought I read somewhere that they changed that as well & NY’ers can now completely load their Magazines with 10 Rounds. Anyone know? As for me, I take comfort knowing if the need should arise (which I hope it never does) I have ready a Glock with Tritium Night Sights, a mounted Flashlight & Laser, & 18 Rounds of Premiumy brand “+P Hollow-Point Bullets”, until I can get to my AR15 (Civilian version of the Military’s M16) Rifle with 31 Round’s of “Jacketed Soft Point” Bullets that leave the Barrel at 3,240ft/sec! & on impact, either bulges to a much bigger size, or fragments & sends sharp, jagged pieces of metal all over the inside the Bad Buys body.
    Anyway, I think I’ve ranted enough, & made my dislike for LI (& NY in general, pretty clear), I’m glad there are others that think like me & see the insanity that is LI. Great article, I’m glad I found it, & Frank, just remember it takes time & patience to regain your sanity. I see it as a Dog that’s been abused by its owners, it’s going to take time for that Dog to start trusting people again. Frank, No Offense, but your that Dog, it’ll take time & patience, but before you know it you’ll be back thinking & acting like the rest of normal society, & the craziness of LI will be something you ruefully look back on as part of your past, & maybe one day even laugh about it. Good Luck!

    1. Thanks Bill,

      I actually own a Beretta myself, very odd to be living in a state now that doesn’t require me to carry around a permit. And concealed carry is much was, no having to try to prove you’re in danger of your life just to carry. Like a completely different world out there.

  136. Frank. Your doing the right thing by moving. But, please take my warning. Colorado has become very expensive the last three years. There is not enough housing to accomodate the recent influx of people. I moved here 21 years ago when it was inexpensive. I bought a house which isnow paid for. Yearly property tax is twelve hundred per year. I guess im grandfathered in now, i could not afford to move here now. Moving to colorado was the best thing i ever did. When i go back to long island i am disappointed by what it has become. Wow, the people are rude, arrogant and unhappy. I wish you well wherever you go. But please be careful with colorado, expensive but well worth it. Tschuss.

    1. Hey William,

      Just moved now and loving it so far. For some perspective, the new apartments near where I used to live were going for $2400 a month, and that doesn’t even include a washer/dryer. Having now moved to Colorado, my rent is a little over $800 with all the amenities I need, including a fireplace. And the view from my balcony/apartment grounds are incredible.

      I’ve checked the cost of living and while Colorado isn’t as cheap as I’d like, the cost of living is just a little over the national average depending on where you go. I could have easily opted for a $500 apartment in say, Missouri or other places, but the level of convenience of having so many retail store options nearby is hard to beat, especially since this was something I took for granted on Long Island.

      Property tax here in my old town could range from $4,000 to as much as $10,000. As expensive as Colorado might get, it will never get as insane as Long Island. I can’t believe how far my money is traveling here even with a relatively modest income.

      I’m holding off on any home purchases though as I believe we’re in another housing bubble, and I’m not in any hurry, so I’m content to rent for now.

      I cannot begin to tell you how drastically the quality of living has improved for me since moving here, and I’ve only been here a week. Gorgeous sceneries, traffic that isn’t a nightmare even at rush hour, cheaper prices, friendlier people, and beautiful weather (even with thunderstorms, the sky “art” here is stunning.) I hope I never have to leave. 🙂

  137. Welcome to colorado frank! I did not realize you already moved here.
    As you can see. Colorado is growing rapidly. People from both coasts are coming in droves. You should be able to secure a job quickly. You can feel the vibrantness of this city. This city keeps you young and open minded. You can finally become the person you want to be out here. It has changed me for the better. Not alot of people have the nerve to pack up and leave like you did. See people posting on here cannot do what you did and are resentful. All you can do is pity them. I grew up in port jefferson station. Good then, not now. Long island has become a cartoon. Guidos, japs, heroin addicts, and selden dirtbags. These are just a few of my favorite things. Being from new york people will want to talk to you, real easy to make friends out here. Take every opportunity that comes your way, enjoy the suds and buds out here and 300 days of sunshine!


    1. Thanks William, I’ve actually only been here a week and loving it so far. Already amazed at how people let me into their lane on the highways even though I’m sporting New York plates. I’ve already driven in rush hour traffic several times and still find it easy to get around, and every odd turn I make has me staring right at the mountains.

      I’ve already secured a great job that allows me to work from home, which is how I’ve been able to move out here. I thank God for the opportunity and the knowledge that no matter where I go in life from this point on, I will NEVER have to go back to Long Island again.

      P.S. I’ve been to Port Jefferson a few times over the years, I actually like the area better than Nassau County, but I know what you mean. The entire island is lost.

      Can’t wait to get settled in here and start hitting up the hiking trails with my new dog!

  138. Hey Frank,

    Tripping over your blog must be kismet and/or divine intervention. No, I’m not hitting on you. I was born in Queens, NY and the parental units moved us out to the burbs of LI when I was 2y/o. In 1994, I was forced to move to Florida (she left 3 months prior) because I was was homeless and it was getting colder and a friend I was staying with had a paranoid landlord (pot head & and I was security guard at the time). Anyhoo, my point….For the better part of the last 20 years that I’ve been in the Nation’s Wang (yup, Florida), I have been trying to save up enough to move back and it’s never happen. Then while looking for bus driver salaries on LI through Google, I came across this blog, YOUR blog and while at first, I thought, whatta prick, but as I kept reading, unlike Jan, Greg & LI Yankee Girl, HOLY S^&*! He’s right. I’ve never thought about it. I always had this grandiose memory of a place that, well, isn’t. And my absolute favorite memories about being on LI, were the monthly trips into the City and driving up into the Catskills to visit family every so often. And for the past 20 yrs, I’ve been kvetching about how I wanna go “home”, Florida sucks, it’s too hot, blah blah blah…Now, I can appreciate where I’m at more because IT IS much nicer/better than “Wrong Island”, I still hate the 950°f temps…LOL Thank YOU Frank, for saving me from another 20 yrs. of trying to get back to a memory that doesn’t exist. And to Jan, Greg, Stefani, and LI Yankee Girl, Y’all just proved his point about the people up there. *smh* After reading this, it should make my visit up there next Summer very interesting since I haven’t been back up there in 20 yrs. Thanks again and high-5 mom for me 😉

    1. Scott is resorting to selective memory and gotcha games in an attempt to troll this blog. Most troll comments will be deleted as they add little to nothing to the discussion.

  139. Dude, I found your blog and just love this post so much. I’m so tired of LI – I’m well traveled and sadly know the pain of not being able to afford a place. I had to move back home (argh) in LI, and can’t wait to GTFO. Just hate it here. I’m glad you found a happy place and have moved on! Best of luck with everything!

      1. Haven’t posted here in awhile. I love LI, proud to live here. Excellent quality of life. Good schools, bagels, beaches, low crime, etc …. I know for sure I would never blame a place my my unhappiness, I’d blame myself. In fact, I pretty sure that a person who would go out of their way to blame a place, blame others for their unhappiness will probably be unhappy where ever they go. At first, they’ll be happy, but given enough time … they’ll blame something or someone, other than them self … given enough time, I’m confident the author of this blog will be unhappy with Colorado too!!! Time will tell!!!

      2. Go choke on your bagel, Wrong Islander.

        I’m here here enjoying a tasty Buffalo burger, and don’t miss the bagels and beaches at all.

      3. Go choke on a bagel … very nice!!! No wonder you were unhappy here … Like I said, I’m 100% certain that given enough time, you’ll be unhappy anywhere. Things may change once you start looking within yourself, instead a blaming others!!!

        I feel bad for actual victims … but people who play the victim … yuck!!!. I’m pretty show this blog (for about the past year) – which leads/ focuses on negativity – is the most attention you have ever received. I pretty sure that’s all you really want. Instead of trying to attain it through, hard work, good deeds, charming personality … you chose the easy way out. Lead with negativity, bash an entire region … no regard for the many wonderful, family oriented, charitable people that live here.

        Did you know that LI raised more Intel Award Science winners than the state of California? The parents/ teachers here must be doing something right or is education not important to you.

        Look in the mirror, like many, including myself at times … you probably can’t stand yourself … but instead of sucking it up and improving yourself, blame others. It’s the easy, immature way out!

      4. Long Island has a larger population than 38 of 50 states. Of course it’s going to produce more gifted students because it has a larger pool to draw from. It has nothing to do with the quality of education.

        It’s the “wrong island” bubble at work, you lead with the premise that there is nothing possibly wrong with the island itself, so there must be something wrong with the person making the complaint instead. Whatever helps you sleep at night.

        I’ve lived in Colorado for nearly a month now and it’s like living on another planet. Long Island’s group mentality diverges so much from how the rest of the country behaves that it’s almost pathological. I knew it was bad, but now having the vantage point of observing it from the outside, rather than inside, and the rift from normalcy is even more pronounced. Good riddance.

        Although, I do apologize about the bagel comment.

        I should have said put some lox on it first, then go choke on it.

      5. Frank, I compared it to the state of California, didn’t mention any other states. Certainly California has a significantly larger population.

        So, you’ve been living in Colorado (beautiful state) for a whole month … this blog has been going on much longer … I believe that means you must have moved AGAIN … I guess you weren’t happy somewhere else. No surprise to me!!!

        And, as far as telling me to ‘choke on a bagel’ twice … ahhh, sounds like another internet keyboard warrior … I’m sure you wouldn’t speak like that to people in person …. they most likely wouldn’t like it, possibly lash out at you … and once again, poor Frank, poor, poor Frank would be a victim again. Of course it wouldn’t be your fault. Right Frankie?

        Anyway, enjoy your blog. Like I said, it’s probably the most attention you ever received … and I know, and you know, that’s all you really want. You couldn’t receive it in a positive way, so you had to take the low road. Choke on that, buddy!!! I know and you know that I’m right!!!

        Until next time, months from now for me … grow a pair, take responsibility for your happiness, Long Island, Colorado, no one can do it for you!!!

      6. “So, you’ve been living in Colorado (beautiful state) for a whole month … this blog has been going on much longer … I believe that means you must have moved AGAIN … I guess you weren’t happy somewhere else. No surprise to me!!!”

        … … … um yes, that somewhere else being LONG ISLAND.

  140. I love Long Island and I travel a ton! In my opinion you can find pretty much whatever you are looking for on LI with just a little due diligence and neighborhood recon. It’s one of the most unique and misunderstood areas in the country. Your LI experience is what you make of it and it sounds like you didn’t make much of it. That’s on you.

    1. It’s already started to with the Islanders leaving for Brooklyn… Hopefully they realize the error of there ways like most rash decisions by true Long Islanders who leave… but inevitably return.

  141. *their ways

    “So we beat on, boats against the current, borne back ceaselessly into the past.”

    Long Island is the great outpost of 20th century American Hegemony.

  142. Although I don’t disagree with a lot of what you said, it sure has a negative spin. Thought it was just me, but then I looked at your twitter and it’s just one negative tweet after another. Seems to me you complain about everything and everyone; United Airlines, Sam’s Club, Craigs list, Baltimore the list goes on. Oy! How does your woman deal with you.

    1. I see you skipped right over the positive tweets I made to conveniently make your false point. I hate it when people are so patently dishonest, but then again it’s Long Island.

    1. Wow, I had no idea there was a Grimaldi’s in Colorado. I wonder how the taste will compare to the one in Brooklyn? You know what I loved though, Beau Jo’s Pizza. OMG, too bad there isn’t one close by in the Springs, or I’d probably be there every day.

  143. Congrats on your escape. I left almost 30 years ago. It was tough, but I just got tired of the BS and moved.
    I miss some of the food, and that’s really about it.

    1. You could always air express that in. 😉 I did that with bagels once for my coworkers and it was a hit.

  144. I think you are really over generalizing the island. There is a lot to do here, great schools, and my community is very safe. It may be a little expensive (village of floral park) the traffic however…… It’s making me want to find some incredibly small town out west and run there full sprint…

  145. I grew up and lived on Long Island for almost 25 years. I eventually moved to Brooklyn, then some years later, got the f*** out and went to California.

    Long Island is beautiful if you’re in a sleepy town on the South Shore. The middle regions are garbage.

    All that being said, Long Island is turning into a land of Teachers, Mechanics, and Lawyers.

    Teachers are too powerful, overpaid. Union thugs run the place.

    Driving is a nightmare.

    Dont’ miss Long Island one bit.

  146. You, sir, are what is wrong with Long Island. Instead of doing anything to change what you hate about this piece of land, you sit behind a computer screen and bitch about it. You comment on and spread every negative thing about LI…have you ever been to a town or county meeting? Have you ever advocated for greater housing density to increase supply and decrease prices? Have you ever volunteered to clean up a to-be park?! Have you ever advocated for better transit service to have a viable alternative to endless traffic? OR better yet, have you every walked anywhere? No? Because walking across strip corridors absolutely blows? Fine. Have you tried reaching out to the MYRIAD of CDCs and nonprofits that create plans and find funding for revitalizing those s*** corridors? Probably not, because you’re too busy bitching about it. Do us all a favor and shut right up and leave. For those of us who have decided to study regional planning because they believe in and are actively changing their home, we’d rather just have you whining drains on society leave. Or, maybe that’s just me.

    1. Long Island is a terminal disease with no cure. You’re wasting your time if you think regional planning of any kind would save it.

  147. Although I have never been to Long Island, I can’t say I’ve ever had the desire to visit, especially after your post. I’ve been to New York State as well as NYC and thought it was ok. To me, the northeast just seems a bit filthy. San Francisco is a little dirty in areas, but nothing like the widespread filth over vast areas of the northeast. It seems only to get nice once you get up towards New Hampshire, which is beautiful.
    I no doubt have a bias to the west coast and Sacramento in particular. I have lived here most of my life and overall it is pretty great. 90 minutes to the east is Lake Tahoe and 90 minutes to the west is San Francisco. It can get hot here (108 yesterday), but the winter is mild. The only downside lately is the lack of rain, but even then it only rains in the winter. You can make plans for a summer camping trip a year in advance and know that the weather will cooperate. Also, there just isn’t the bugs out here that you have back east. Those things back there are monsters.

    I’m not trying to convince anyone that this is the best and that there are no problems, but overall the climate is wonderful and we have just about everything here. Beautiful mountains, coastline, and desert areas make this state pretty nice.We do have enough people though so you can stay where you are.

    1. And then there are those of us who move to more expensive parts of the country to give the lie to your experience. Regardless, why should one have to be a millionaire to enjoy this place? Long Island is not *worth* that much money when many other parts of the country offer beaches and other things Long Island does. Plus, you don’t have to cough up the equivalent of a second car payment to sit on a smelly train with people eating heaven knows what next to you for over an hour, or have a 90-minute schlep to the nearest city for a pro sporting event or a night out. There is nothing special to recommend Long Island anymore.

      In MY experience, the only people who defend it are civil servants who will spend the last 40 years of their lives living off the taxpayer teat (and most likely take their pensions to another state, anyway) and those who can’t afford to leave because the cost of living here doesn’t allow them to save any money to relocate.

  148. I am counting the days until I get off this rock. I VERY STUPIDLY returned here in 2007 after 23 years away, and have wanted to leave since 2011. You nailed everything here, from the schizophrenic people to the corrupt law enforcement. As for the morons saying the people who can’t afford it here are the ones who trash it, oh I can afford it, bippies, as I’m moving to a MORE expensive part of the country. The difference is that there I will get more for my money than crumbling infrastructure, racial tension that’s palpable, and men who think and sound like Tony Manero.

  149. Ticks- you keep mentioning ticks!

    In light of the fact that ticks are in so many states- that one complaint cannot hold up as a valid argument against Long Island.

    Ticks are everywhere and they happen to attach to many animals.

    If you live where there is grass- wildlife or domestic pets, you risk getting ticks on you- of various varieties.

    What is with the Lyme’s phobia?

    It originated in CT , where the govt had them dumped via air, onto Lyme CT, courtesy of German scientists we grabbed post WW2, while creating this new type of *germ* warfare we hoped to use against the Russians.

    Apparently the original plan was to use it on Russian cattle- but apparently our govt thought that doing a test run on its own people/animals was a nifty idea.

    ( And so, we are still paying for this brainstorm.)

    I remember being a teen in the 80’s and being outdoors a lot.

    I can count the amount of times I pulled a tick off myself or my pet dogs- and fortunately I can say,not many.

    Lyme’s clearly existed when I was a kid AND a teen, because the test run had been done in the 50’s-60’s era.

    What you don’t know about, you don’t worry about. Who even knew the term LYMES DISEASE then?

    Being young, I am unsure if the knowledge of Lyme’s would have stopped my friends and I from having outdoor fun, back in the day.

    I wonder how many people caught Lyme’s before we – the people- knew what exactly it was?

    Granted, suffering from Lyme’s disease is no joke. I have seen what a mess it makes of people’s lives because of their physical issues and the problems in treating it.

    I respect having a concern about it, but you seem to have overlooked other diseases that are tick borne.

    My friend’s daughter went to Garvie’s Point on Long Island and ended up nearly dying in a local hospital from Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever tick.

    This was the late 80’s/ early 90’s. I was shocked to learn she was sickened from a tick not native to the area.

    But that is the thing about ticks- they travel and they travel on a host(human or animal) .

    When you think about it that way and how we transport or travel via trucks- trains and planes, no wonder things migrate out of their natural area.

    You are touting Colorado- which is fine, but what about the Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever tick? Poisonous snakes?

    If you are going to be phobic- don’t make it out like Lyme’s is the only dangerous tick out there.

    I won’t try to convince you LI is a great place because you obviously hate it, but you gotta admit these two things: we don’t get tornadoes and we don’t have poisonous snakes.

    And yes, to me extremely violent tornadoes are far worse than the hurricanes we experience on LI and while out in nature, I like to walk without worrying what I might step on.
    You know, like a rattlesnake?

    1. In light of the fact that ticks are in so many states- that one complaint cannot hold up as a valid argument against Long Island.

      Are you stupid? We’re not talking about the presence of ticks in states, we’re talking about the size of their population. Unless I’m doused in Permethrin, there is no way you can take to the trails on Long Island during the summer and not have to spend an hour picking off the ticks.

      Know how many ticks I had to pick off walking some of the trails in Colorado? ZERO. Colorado does have ticks, but it has one of the lowest populations of ticks of all states. There are also only two species of venomous snakes, BTW, with snake bites being rare and fatal encounters rarer still. Long Island has plenty of poisonous snakes by comparison. They’re called cops and politicians.

      The mountains in our region blunts tornadoes from forming or being able to touch down and do any damage, which is why you have to get significantly far from the Rockies (to the Eastern Plains) into low population areas to face the threat of violent tornadoes. Even Long Island has a higher fatality from tornadoes than Colorado does, where it killed 30 people, as opposed to Colorado’s 5 fatalities going back to 1950. http://www.tornadohistoryproject.com

      Next time do a little research before spouting off stupid nonsense like a typical Wrong Islander.

      Now if you’ll excuse me, it’s time for me to go enjoy a nice tick-free hike at one of the mesa trails.

      1. Frank, From your writing, I'm so happy you left Long Island. Home values probably went up the second you left. Why to you call writer 'stupid' just because he tooked the time to express his/ her opinion. Like I had mentioned a few other times I took th says:


      2. Behold the genius of the typical Wrong Island native, who types his comment in the AUTHOR field. Brilliant.

      3. Author, commect , who gives a sh*t. I 'm defending someone I don't even know because for no reason you call them 'stupid' for absolutely no reason except they expressed their opinion. Your claim to fame is a blog on why you hate something .... the r says:

        David Gussin

  150. I grew up on long island and i always hated it but then I moved to the west coast and a new appreciation for people from Long Island and New York and newsflash no one in NY is from NY or very few the real New Yorkers are from Queens (not even Brooklyn anymore) long island, north of the city and yes Jersey. I respect how people here are more straight forward. People in the NW where I lived for a decade are very passive aggressive and cold. Though that said at least they were quite. I live in noisy as F**k Baldwin a total bloody nightmare. It is like living on main street in Flushing. Two houses next door one after the other are dueling on who can play their music louder. And both are at concert levels and can be heard from 3-4 blocks away. The “tenants” next door have a washing machine in the back yard and pretty much live out there. Though the turn over is every 6-10 months I think someone is running it like an illegal boarding house. In the 7 years I have been here with the “tenants” I have never seen a moving van, u-haul or even a pick up truck with furniture going in or out. Just new faces every 6-10 months. I just called the cops on the dueling music fight which is like what the lower east side was like circa 1993. Baldwin is a pitt and there is lots of crime to boot. The new 7-11 was robbed 3 months after it opened. Cabbies here are robbed on a regular basis so now everyone has to go in to the cab station to “be on camera” A attendee at a supper club was shot and killed. The was a stabbing at the high school, armed robbery of a deli. A shooting at party and the list goes on and on. The police helicopters are out every 7-10 weeks searching for who ever committed what ever crime. Shame, Baldwin use to be nice. Never fancy but OK now it is a crime ridden noise polluted dump. The noise levels in this town are through the roof. The neighbors are disrespectful and have no concept that they could be disturbing the people around them. Or they do and don’t care. Awful. so not sure what to say about LI.Saving to buy a condo and was thinking of Sayville as you can get a one bedroom for $79k but thanks to the LIRR it is not the most doable commute. Peekskill which is more or less the same distance to NY as Sayville is 56 mins straight shot while Sayville is hour and half with at least one transfer if not two. So not sure if I know what the answer is if you are looking for peace and quite on Long Island. But the south west shore of Long Island is not quite and suburban anymore. May as well be living in the South Bronx. Oh yes I agree with Pandi you pay all these taxes for shit services which don’t to got the schools but to the suits and the bazillon school super attendants in both Nassau and Suffolk county all of whom make 6 figure salaries. Yes lots of corruption. Oh and that note it has been 40 mins and the police have not show up yet.

    This typical of Baldwin


  151. Being born and raised on Long Island. I can say that it started going downhill after the 80’s. I did have a love for it over the years but it has changed a lot and the costs etc are just too much. I had to move to Florida in 2011 to take care of my mom. I still visit the Island from time to time to see a few friends and my daughter who is still there for college. I will say that Long Island will always have a place in my heart being ” home” but I would never move back there

    1. That’s how my parents remember it too. It’s a shame what the island has turned into, but that said it will never hold a place in my heart. Good riddance to that evil place.

  152. Pizza, bagels, Bacon egg and cheese on a roll! Best restaurants in the country. Dozens of beautiful beaches and parks. Your just a loser Frank. I hope you find your happiness somewhere else. I’ve lived and travelled in 11 states. Long island is hands down the best and I’ll never leave it again.

    1. Highest cost of living in the nation, polluted and overcrowded beaches, traffic that blocks every road, bipolar populace, but Long Island is great because BAGELS! Lord, you’re an idiot. Please stay where you are and stop polluting the air of the other states you travel to with your existence.

    2. There’s great food and great beaches every where else. The best pizza I’ve ever had was in Portland, OR. And I hate to break it to you, but the beaches here are poorly maintained and usually patrolled by cops with an Napoleon complex. The parks are nice, but VERY small and usually patrolled by similar types, God forbid you have a drink in one. The traffic is insane, the cost of living is insane, the whole place is overrun with orange guidos driving BMWs and still living in their parents’ basements. Rand is right, before long it’ll be a place populated by north shore millionaires who think 20K is a reasonable starting salary for a degreed professional with ten years of experience. There will be the uber rich, and the uber poor, few if any in between. I work in HR and recruiting here on the island, and I’ve quite literally watch the salaries drop like a rock for years now. I’ve got companies coming to me with straight faces offering 20K to people with USEFUL degrees, as in accountants and engineers. If someone nuked this whole place from the face of the Earth it’d be a net gain for the world it’s such a sh** hole. I can’t wait to have enough saved to get the hell out of here. Early next year, I’m out, F^&* this place.

  153. yes the cost of living is insane on Long Island, it is the most expensive place to live in the country now. If people would stop voting for politicians that favor big government (Democrats), not just on Long Island, but the state of NY in general, taxes would begin to drop, which would attract more business, more jobs, not so many needing public assistance, easier to buy a home, or rent… Unfortunately most people are beyond retarded, and or very ill-informed, and continue to vote for politicians who favor big gov (Democrats).. Continue this, and Long Island will fully become a place for rich old white people, and poor to destitute people, who will also become involved in violent crimes.

  154. This article is a bit old, but I have to give my two cents. I was born and raised for my first 7 years in Greenpoint NY, back then very eastern European but now hipster central. I made the inglorious journey to West Babylon out on the Island where I resided for 25 years, with the exception of a year in Massapequa Park. By the ripe young age of 31 I found myself with enough money to purchase a house after years of saving and thankfully being able to take advantage of “low” prices and low interest.
    Living at home with parents as you very accurately described, you are blind to the downfalls of this sh***y Island. Never did I have to worry about the costs of taxes or rent because guess what? I didn’t have to pay it. Even though I did not bear that responsibility, I still managed to save, so it wasn’t a total waste. My taxes on my small little cape now are over $9000, with more than a third going towards the school system. Even with all that money and all the families paying into it, we as parents are required to buy supplies for the class, not the schools themselves. Correct me if I am wrong, but growing up, my parents were never responsible for the classroom costs, just their own kids supplies. There’s no room to breathe, on one side a neighbor who is classless, dirty and keeps their house in disarray. The other side, a stuck up, my house is better than yours, rude pain in the a**. And the always famous neighbor who is watching what you do and will report you for any activity that doesn’t meet town codes.
    I stay for the sake of family, and I regret it every year. Every day as I sit in my 45 minutes to an hour of traffic to go 20 miles, I feel my life slipping away and wanting to strangle everyone on the road. This Island makes people uptight, anxious and angry. From the cost of living to taxes to f***ing gas, there is no where you can turn without getting slapped with a high cost. I cannot fathom why people would move here or come here to vacation. Besides to maybe family. Any vacation I have, I immediately imagine how it would be living there. You have your pompous Lawn Guylanders who say nothing is better, meanwhile they do not know any better because they are stuck in their sh***y little bubble.
    I am glad I stumbled upon your article. Makes me feel sane again…for the time being.

    1. Thanks for sharing, I hope you can find your way of escape too. Ever since leaving myself it feels like I got out of prison. It really is a bubble there.

  155. This post was spot on. I’m so glad I got out of that hell hole. The sad part is that the guidos, cholos, and other types of trash are content living in the jungle..so Long Island won’t be getting better any time soon. The culture there is absolute garbage. Everyone I know from there hates it and wants to move, if they haven’t already. The only people who like it are the very wealthy who aren’t burdened by the living costs or the crime. People don’t believe me when I tell them just how bad it is there; that I’d rather walk around in Detroit than in downtown Huntington or any of the other pockets of filth that Long Island boasts. Then, the wrong islanders escape to a real city and they are shocked to discover that I’m right. Same goes for people visiting long island only to be disappointed. Suffolk county PD is an absolute joke – but the good side of that is that you can concealed carry and odds are the police won’t do anything at all should you need to use it in a conflict… they don’t do anything about anything anyway unless the victim is rich or there were drugs involved… so even though New York state wants to stifle our constitutional rights, go ahead and enjoy them!

    1. Very true, some of the areas here are hellish. The Huntington example is pretty striking, because the town itself is such a nice place, but go four minutes south on 110 and you may get shot. Some goes for Wyandanch, Gordon Heights out in Coram. Christ, I remember driving through there seeing a car on fire and no one doing anything about it. The whole island is based on north shore millionaires staying rich by offering 20K jobs to professionals with degrees and keeping wages so low people can just barely scrape by but rarely save.

      There’s a lot here that’s good, wine country out east is nice. Some of the beaches are good, there’s a TON of great restaurants, and a few of the towns are havens for a good night out. But overall it’s just an over crowded, over priced hell for most. I don’t even bother applying for jobs here anymore, I have friends and family out of state that let me use their addresses to hopefully get a job elsewhere, and then I’ll just move. This place is for the birds, pretty soon it’ll be nothing but rich ***holes and orange guidos driving BMWs and living in their parents’ basements while they work for some company that thinks 20K is a reasonable salary for someone with a degree and years of experience.

      And no, the 20K is not an exaggeration. I’m in recruiting and that’s what several clients where offering to people with four year accounting degrees and a few years experience. Why would they do something so patently idiotic, you may ask? It’s because the business was owned by a long islander.

  156. I moved to Suffolk County 2 years ago from Astoria and I agree with every single word you wrote. I bought a house because I just had 2 kids and I am going to do everything in my power to make sure they don’t grow up in “intolerable, despicable, grimy, disgusting, vile, evil, filthy, overpopulated mound of fecal matter.”

    The male drivers think the Southern State is a NASCAR track and the female drivers are looking at everything but the road. It must have been one of those mental patients who designed the roads that go from two lanes to one with barely any warning (or room) and then back to two, no left turn lanes and the worst synced traffic lights I’ve ever had the displeasure of driving through (sans Las Vegas). On top of that, too many traffic lights where Stop signs would be sufficient.

    God I can’t wait to get out!

  157. To the owner of this blog… You will be back…. They all come back.. Even if for some reason you get stuck where you are. Deep down you will wish you never left. You will have the urge for the rest of your life to return. Even though you will try to convince yourself you are right. It will not work. The main reason you wrote this blog is because you know you can’t escape the Long Island type life style . You’re hoping to convince yourself you’re not one of us, but you are. it does not matter how far you run you are one of us and you can never change that.. Deep down you will be board, dejected and will never fit in with anyone. After being in your new place where ever that is you will start to notice their is just no zest around you. You will start to feel like the people around you are not normal. You will have an urge to drive on the LIE. So like 99% of the people that leave you wil return. See you on the roads sucker… Long Island Native for life…

    1. All the amenities we thought as luxurious in my house in LI (sprinklers, granite, central AC) are standard in Dallas, and homes are twice the size, and half the cost, though lately prices are going up. Traffic is horrible here, but its nothing compared to my commute to Manhattan from Western Suffolk county. The public grass areas are always trimmed, potholes are filled up quickly, they use expensive concrete in the roads, local roads are 6 lanes, and property tax is only about 2%. Schools are pretty good, there are great community centers with pools and games, etc. But even with all this and more, I miss LI and Manhattan. I long to return. Maybe after the kids grow up, we’ll move back to our rented house in LI.

    2. Like I said..You always want to come back.. I have been on vacation in many areas.. There are a lot of nice places in the world. However, this is my home. When I leave even though I have great times Im happy when i get back. I have driven to Florida many times. The minute I get out of New York heading south its like a relief. The pressure is off and I sometimes feel like i don’t want to return. The fact is that’s why you go on vacations. So when I return after a week or two right when I get off the Verrazano Bridge I feel like I’m home. I feel more at ease than ever. I realize how good we have it. The character itself is what makes it. It’s like the Island is alive.. Almost like the show lost. However some people may be rude, but I will tell you for every rude person there are thousands of nice people. I have heard and seen some unbelievable things. People on Long Island are the best in the world. Just like our city next to us. Yes horrible things happen there. However there is so, so , so much good there. It’s okay for anyone to want to leave because of the costs. I do agree things are out of control with that. I just can’t understand why the politicians can’t do anything to help. Sometime I wish they would turn long Island into its own state. Than we could start lowering prices. We pay High taxes because we are sponsoring all of NY.. We have to pay for all those roads to go upstate and the miles and miles of upkeep. If Long Island could separate from that we would all live like kings here. Ok we would not be part of NY which I love. However I think long I island would shoot up to one of the best places in the US to live if this were to happen. Either way it is my home and I will try to stay here as long as I can. You do need a good plan if you wish to stay here. I see the only way to do it without a struggle is to make your house into a two family set up. Hopefully you can split it with a family member and make it like two nice size small houses. Share and split all the taxes and utilities. Taxes would get cut in half that way.. Kind of like living in a condo. It can be done and there is no place better than my home which is right here on Long island. I lived upstate for three years and when I got back I said I would never leave again. Having a big house with all the amenities at a low cost sounds nice. However if you feel homesick all the time is it better.. I think the owner love long Island but is fed up with the high prices. I get it. you are welcome for your opinions but don’t blame the people. You are one of us so if you think your good than your statement is a bit hypocritical. That’s still okay I know the only way you can leave is to make this place so unbelievably bad in your mind it gives you more of a reason to go. That is why you started this blog or you would have just left. I understand thats why I know you will be back.. Or you will at least wish you were back. Don’t get trapped out there. If they ever made Long Island its own state you would jump back in a minute . It the prices came down you would still be here. So if that’s true that means you love the Island.

  158. Wow….There is a guy Jay who wrote here….Obviously living in the LI Bubble. The best restaurants in the country? The beaches? You really need to get out more. I live in Long Beach (over rated and damn ugly) and been to every beach in LI. All you have to do in Cali is point your finger randomly at their coastline…go to that spot and I bet its nicer than the Nicest beach in LI. Compare Laguna beach to Montauk. Is Montauk nicer?

    Like Frank I am trying to leave…can’t right now because of child custody and every second I am here I feel my soul being torn away. Long Islanders are coarse, ignorant, arrogant, short tempered, nasty, crude, and become that way because of living in an isolated area. Every time i fly somewhere and come back to JFK…I have to drive on the belt pkwy and look at mounds of trash all over the potholed roads. Its a grey dismal place where nothing good thrives…no art, no culture, no beauty, no civility, just a Donald Trump like attitude that its the best…even though it is pure sh&^ with nothing to offer…. and what little it does offer costs an arm and a leg…even its over rated beaches.

    Ive lived on LI all my life (48 yrs) and there really isn’t much good about the place. The quality of life isn’t good, Taxes are way too high and you don’t get much in return for paying, way too much corruption in the local govt, roads are crap, people live in a bubble, climate is crappy, beaches are dirty, one endless strip mall nestled between communities of ugly vinyl sided houses, people put up with it because thats what they are used to and don’t realize that life is better just about anyplace else. And when you go somewhere else make sure they hear that awful accent and LI “edge”…because thats not edge… its coarseness,

  159. Unfortunately, you have valid points about LI. It used to be beautiful. Now, it’s filled with provincial people who are both unsophisticated and arrogant. And, it doesn’t help that
    the hi-tech jobs are just not there. Commuting into the city is too expensive and too stressful.

    Even the Hamptons changed in the last 20 years – and not for the better. More people, more crime, Mexican illegals doing construction jobs and slumming up East Hampton and schools. Mexican illegals standing on streets in Southampton looking for day labor jobs. Kasdashian trash thinking that the Hamptons is the place to be. And, the property taxes are high — too high. Mid-island is a strip mall wasteland.

    It’s a shame, because really it was a great place to live — I lived in Garden City, Huntington, and Mineola when I was a kid — it was really nice. LI really feels like it is going downhill — too many people — too few real jobs —- some of the south shore towns are really bad bad news now. Had my car stolen at a south shore mall. I can understand why people in their 30’s leave —- it just doesn’t make sense to stay….

  160. Wow..I can’t believe this site. We are in America and so far we still do have freedom of speech. I live part time in Wading River…it is gorgeous out here. My community has 60 beach cottages and it is like the 1950s here. Kids running around and parents that were those kids running around.
    The farms, and how do you say there are no good places to eat? The Cooperage Inn. La Plage, Mark Anthonie’s and even Phill’s.
    Did you grow up in a snotty town? I did…but I didn’t move there until I was 12. Malverne was a great place to grow up. I didn’t like the five towns, but Atlantic beach was great..so was Long Beach. And there are many lovely people. There will be nice people and sh*&^ people pretty much everywhere. To say LI is ugly….that just isn’t true…and you don’t have to go to the Hampton’s for beauty.
    I do think there is some problem here because of all the manufacturing that was here…it screwed up the water and I think some land…This is happening all over…things are hard now all over unfortunately.
    You evidently have not been to many place’s here and you have not met all the different people. And for those that say such horrible things about the Mexicans…they are amazing here..friendly and hard working. Yes..I could not wait to get away from the spoiled, lazy, criticizing rich kids that I grew up with in the five towns… I was so upset leaving a town, Malverne, that I was friends with Black, Spanish and Asian’s, to a place that was so retarded. But there were some nice kids out there too….so, just had to put my two sense in…I really got upset with how nasty you are about a place that clearly you have not been to many great towns, with friendly intelligent and creative people. Some people might not be so smart…but they are kind

  161. I moved from LI to Plano, TX a few years ago. I escaped the bad weather, the people, and very high taxes in western suffolk county. After 3 years the novelty of Plano, the state of Texas, and basically anything away from the Northeast has worn off. I really miss my Long Island with its cool summers, crazy people, closeness to Manhattan, and upstate. The other day at DFW airport, my flight was next to the gate of a flight to NYC. Man how I wished I was going there rather than my midwest ho hum destination. I am totally homesick.

  162. Like I said..You always want to come back.. I have been on vacation in many areas.. There are a lot of nice places in the world. However, this is my home. When I leave even though I have great times Im happy when i get back. I have driven to Florida many times. The minute I get out of New York heading south its like a relief. The pressure is off and I sometimes feel like i don’t want to return. The fact is that’s why you go on vacations. So when I return after a week or two right when I get off the Verrazano Bridge I feel like I’m home. I feel more at ease than ever. I realize how good we have it. The character itself is what makes it. It’s like the Island is alive.. Almost like the show lost. However some people may be rude, but I will tell you for every rude person there are thousands of nice people. I have heard and seen some unbelievable things. People on Long Island are the best in the world. Just like our city next to us. Yes horrible things happen there. However there is so, so , so much good there. It’s okay for anyone to want to leave because of the costs. I do agree things are out of control with that. I just can’t understand why the politicians can’t do anything to help. Sometime I wish they would turn long Island into its own state. Than we could start lowering prices. We pay High taxes because we are sponsoring all of NY.. We have to pay for all those roads to go upstate and the miles and miles of upkeep. If Long Island could separate from that we would all live like kings here. Ok we would not be part of NY which I love. However I think long I island would shoot up to one of the best places in the US to live if this were to happen. Either way it is my home and I will try to stay here as long as I can. You do need a good plan if you wish to stay here. I see the only way to do it without a struggle is to make your house into a two family set up. Hopefully you can split it with a family member and make it like two nice size small houses. Share and split all the taxes and utilities. Taxes would get cut in half that way.. Kind of like living in a condo. It can be done and there is no place better than my home which is right here on Long island. I lived upstate for three years and when I got back I said I would never leave again. Having a big house with all the amenities at a low cost sounds nice. However if you feel homesick all the time is it better.. I think the owner love long Island but is fed up with the high prices. I get it. you are welcome for your opinions but don’t blame the people. You are one of us so if you think your good than your statement is a bit hypocritical. That’s still okay I know the only way you can leave is to make this place so unbelievably bad in your mind it gives you more of a reason to go. That is why you started this blog or you would have just left. I understand thats why I know you will be back.. Or you will at least wish you were back. Don’t get trapped out there. If they ever made Long Island its own state you would jump back in a minute . It the prices came down you would still be here. So if that’s true that means you love the Island.

    1. Anyone who claims driving on Belt Parkway gives him warm fuzzy feelings after coming back from vacation is either trolling me or on something.

    2. Not sure where you get the Belt parkway… You see you just assume things, that’s why you have narrow vision. It’s okay though I already knew that. I have a Pickup truck with commercial plates… I take the BQE like going through the “birdcage”… I guess I’m not as swift as you..Frank ly I am Trolling now. You do not have to worry because my journey stops here. I’m not here to fight with anyone I was just trying to defend the people who have lived here all their lives and you accused us of being white trash losers, douchebags and freaks… Just wanted you to know your running from yourself… You made a statement about people based on yourself, a long Islander. Just thought it was ironic. Happy sailing.. wish you the best. I do mean that…

  163. Now I will Help your cause. I know you want to blame the people but it’s really not them. The best way I can explain this is to add this analogy. You know when you’re not feeling well. You have a cold or a virus or the flu. You know how you kind of just want to be left alone. Now someone enters your area. Your space. You’re not feeling well and just want to be left alone and let’s say a family member walks in. Right away you get a bit agitated. In your mind they are driving you nuts. They actually did nothing wrong you’re just not in the mood to talk or get into a conversation you just want some peace so you can rest. So now you get mad and you tell that person to get out. I think this is why you turn your anger on your best ally which is your fellow long islander. So don’t get mad at them. They are just at the wrong place at the wrong time. I actually understand and I know you really probably are just more **^*ed off at the issues of long island and not really the everyday people. So Let’s try to iron this out and get somewhere so that this site or blog you have may actually shed some light on the causes of the state of our Island. You don’t have to but I think the people are what actually keeps me sane and understand me because they have and share in the same type of pain. So maybe we can figure out the causes and the reasons why we are getting ripped off in our own state. Let’s start here. We know what the cause is. It’s Government. So let’s look at this TAXES…. Yes thats right .. How come we all know what the problem is but we just keep giving our money away. Are we getting what we are paying for.. Hummm.. Well this brings into question how can some states have no Income taxes. How do they do that? This is really going to piss off some of your readers… Well here we go. The average person in NY that has a household salary of approximately $80,000.00 in New York will pay close to $12,000 for NY state income tax. Thats right. This will even get you a bit angrier. If you lived in the State of Washington and I think eight other stats you would pay?????? $0.00. That right Zipo.. Nada.. Nothing.. So why are we paying one grand a month. Also if you were in washington that 1 grand per month would place you in a nice condo or town house and cover your mortgage and part of your property taxes. So we will have to get back to this. Keep this on the back burner for now. This is not even the tip of the berg… Now to the owner of this site. If you would like me to come back and bring some solid numbers and info that may help some of the people who are stuck here I will. If you don’t want me back or you think that I can’t bring any help to this cause because I am one of those long Islanders, than just say the word and I’m done. The only thing I ask is that you apologize to the people of long island and agree that maybe it was because of the state you were in just like having a cold and someone comes in the room and you get angry becuase your not feeling well. I understand but I just want to make sure that you understand most of the people reading this are going to be from Long Island. So instead of crushing them let’s admit it’s the way New York runs things that makes you and other get angry, which is why we may act out once in awhile and not even realizing it we take it out on the ones we love the most. Our own… Do you agree that is possible? A simple maybe and I will be back with not only the other reasons but maybe even a way to solve some of these crimes against us like property taxes.Ouch!! OMG there are so many things that we really are bad… If anyone reads this and thinks I should continue please post. I can take any criticism you have. Remember I am really on your side…

  164. Long Island works best if you have a solid Gov’t, state or County job. This way there is never a shortage of other people’s money to pay you. Other option is to commute into the city to a higher paying job.
    Most people doing well on Long Island were either told to take a civil service test, because that’s what their Father did. Or you work for or inherit a lucrative business (Pizzeria, Fuel Oil company…)
    Other than that, Just get use to working 70 hours per week as long as you stay there. If you want to be an Actor, Banker, Advertising Guru or in the fashion industry, you need to be in NYC or close by. I have been off L.I for twenty one years. The chances Colorado offered me are numerous. I took a chance and Lucked out. The conditions surrounding Colorado are much different now. Housing cost are much higher. You see a lot of transplants fleeing both coasts trying to grab something nice, This could be their last chance. It was never my dream to move to Selden or Leavittown, then kill myself to do it. Younger people should at least consider other areas of the country. Social media, Skype, and texting make it easy to stay in touch, thus ease home sickness. Every shot you don’t take, is a guaranteed miss. I’d say move from Long Island and join the Living. Tschuss.

    1. Have to agree, in spite of rising housing costs and transplants, I’m blessed to live in a quiet apartment with 9 inch ceilings, washer/dryer, fireplace, a balcony with million dollar views of the mountains, and our own private jogging trails AND dog park. All for less than $1,000 a month (including utilities).

      I can’t even imagine how much the equivalent of that (with a view of the beach replacing the mountains) would cost me on Long Island. I feel like a millionaire with all the amenities I’m able to enjoy now.

  165. Long Island is 115 miles long and 20 miles wide. It would be the 12th largest populated state if it was one. That being said STOP trying to blend it all together. That show ignorance from the person making such ridiculous statements.
    ALL areas will have problems. It is up to that person to find their comfort limit. Long Island has wonderful people and great place to spend time. STOP THE WHINING! The grass is always greener……..GO

  166. Admittedly only been here a few months (still in the honeymoon phase), but I have to say that I LOVE Long Island. This is the seventh state where I’ve lived, most recently escaping from the lands of the Minnesota Nice. Hubs and I love it here thus far – where people actually talk to complete strangers and your neighbors actually invite you over for dinner and to watch the game. In Minnesota, they just tell you about it Monday morning.

    The landscape is beautiful. Love the farms, the fresh produce. Sure, the folks around here are blunt and upfront, but I’ll take that over the feigned kindness of Minnesota Nice any day of the week.

    Glad to be here with our five kids for as long as it lasts. Let’s hope the sheen doesn’t wear off anytime soon!

    1. This doesn’t sound like the Long Island I know. You must live in one of the very small enclaves further out east where there’s more farmland (or maybe the North Shore). You get more breathing room as you go further away from the city, but the cost of living is still prohibitive, and eventually the aberrant behavior that constitutes Long Island natives will eventually start to seep in. I suspect the more you explore Long Island the more you’ll start to see the truth of what I wrote. Regardless, I hope you’ll be happy wherever you go, whether it’s there or any place not Minnesota. 😉

  167. Hello friend,

    I can relate to what you are saying. I grew up an hour or so north of the city, and had a very difficult time because of the quite homogeneous culture surrounding me (mostly Irish & Italian working class). All the kids were in similar clubs and were part of the same sports teams and often times were all relatives of one another. I was picked on, and it wasn’t long before I came into my social role as something of an “outsider”, or even a “weirdo” as you call it in your essay. That said, I was very adaptable to the shift. If it weren’t for being ostracized, I would never have met some of the people I became close to (who were also pushed to the fringe of the local culture) who were some of the best people I’ve ever known. I probably wouldn’t have discovered skateboarding either, which gave me an incredible outlet for expression and creativity, and took me all over the country— (not to mention helped me become very fit, which paid off when I moved away and the girls started to pay attention). All those beatings I took, and the alienation I experienced, were totally worth it to my mind. I’m happy to have had the kind of environmental struggle you describe. If I had been on those soccer teams and at evening mass with the Irish Catholics, I would not be this person at all.

    So while I empathize with (and fully understand) the pain and frustration you were met with, but I also sympathize with you for your reaction to it. I hope you have found peace within, and without yourself. I also don’t see why it’s such a bad thing to have an ‘introverted’ personality type, you made it sound like you were lamenting it. Introverted people are wonderful and have a set of unique gifts distinct from the social hive-mind personalities.

    1. I don’t really regret being introverted, only those times when I could use more extroversion to help build social circles and avoid isolating myself too much.

      I’m glad your experience, as harsh as it was, left you with a tried and true network of friends. If there was a positive thing living on Long Island did, it was to deeply appreciate what life offers me elsewhere.

  168. Frank

    I am in awe. You have done what no one could have done for me. You vindicated my self worth again. Strong choice of words for any person to say but I can’t be any more blunt about my feelings right now.
    I was going through an emotional roller coaster at one point. From deaths in the family by murder, to being emtionally hurt by losing several military buddies working along side them overseas. Those are just extremes with everything else in between you can imagine. All this occurring at the same time.

    I moved from NYC (The Bronx, yes the south bronx) everyone always asks, like there is no other parts of the Bronx. (sry that was just for some of yours readers insight) and I moved to long Island by a fellow shipmates request. He is a born and raised Lier.

    Long story short, I no longer speak to him, nor ever will again. You said it all, most of these people are odd. (Place in this spot your blog and thesis of Long island). that ends my story on that part.

    The reason why I am vindicated by you is because during my many struggles with the issues that I faced i started to feel and believe it was actually my issues that were interfering with me being able to have people treat me at times extremely disrespectful even though I new nothing of them nor did they even know anything about me? Looking back i did not need to question myself during that horrendous time I was going through.

    After reading what you wrote I can in clouded specific horror stories from professionals that would amaze even other from other states. you have brought a peace inside my being that has lifted a ton of weight. I never thought I would find someone that felt exactly like me and experienced ( and still am ) the crap that most people give out here.

    I have lived in the pitts of hell at one time, ( the 70s and 80) in the South Bronx. I still lived there up till 2010. ( But such an improvement in the 90, and 2000s no more burnt out buildings and less slum lords)
    so I can judge about socially bad and good in a neighborhood and with people.

    I thought I was the problem, but I was so capable in befriending people in all walks of life in every state and other countries so easily and readily. But on the “Island”? NEVER….I don’t trust them as far as I can see them. Such a shame you left, I wish I would have met you here while I was going through so much, I probably would have a different outcome of Long Island. I could have added there are a few hindend gems that do exist.

    Now I am just one of the last of the mohicans left. I own a home in an affluent ( at least thats what LI calls it) neighborhood , somewhat. But I am going to finish paying it off very quickly, finish up with my physical repairs of being injured in combat duty and become a landlord that lives in another state or even back in NYC, to get away from long island and there political garbage here.

    I cry everytime I remember the ones that served along side me that gave there lives and were form the Island. The Navy Seals that perished that were born and raised in the Island. I will never take away from them. But just what I said before all the great ones left and are still leaving. I hope I meet ONE while I am still here for now.

    Too all the transplants that came here with hopes and dreams of a better life. Stay strong to your morals and beliefs from you came, don’t let these ridiculous bullies make you believe other wise. You outsiders are what s holding this floating turd together.

    Besides all this ranting, some of there saner is Awesome and some great dive spots as well along with some beautiful sunsets. NYC food is hands down the best compared to here.

    Thanks Frank, many blessings to you.

    1. The auto magic spell check on my comp has changed some words in the writing , just hope you can decipher them. please excuse that.

  169. True blue. I get it and sorry you had such a bad experience and thank you so much for your role in our fight for freedom. I do not judge you at all and I’m sure you have a great reason for your post. The only thing is there is no way you can condemn a whole Island of people because of a few or even a decent amount of people that you may have crossed paths with. Like I said I’m on your side and very sorry you had a rough ride. The fact is there are good people her on the Island. I find myself saying I wish you knew me and your whole perspective would be different. Maybe you just found those few bad ones that are in every corner of the world. Please do not condemn every Long Islander. I,now you are in the military and I know a lot of great Long islanders that were and are defending us like you . My father and most of my family. All you have to do is drive down Pine lawn road in Melville and you will see all the long Islanders that have done more than most people in this world and were really good people. Frank although he is probably a nice person is very bitter. Not sure why but if he wants to hide behind Long Island people than so be it. Personally I think he is full of it because if he hates us so much why does he keep posting on this blog. Is he trying to help us losers and *****holes and scumbags. Hummmm does not make much sense. However I am not trying to come down on you. His post was a good story and some of the thing I can relate to as well. But I’m not hiding behind anyone. Those things he posted are called life. Just like i said if you drive down pinelawn road south of the expressway you will see just how fair life is not. Those people that now live on pine lawn rd were some of the best people in the world because they put this country in front of everything. Including Long Island. Also It is my opinion that this blog is a hobby and I would not be surprised if Frank still lives here. Intact I have a gift for these type of things. Its called my gut instinct. My guess is Frank is trying to get a blog going so he can make some money down the road. He probably thinks hey i have a good topic let me fly with it and if I sell a lot of tickets maybe I can make some money off of this. So Frank is it true. Is my gut right. Are you still living on our footprint. I think I saw the pictures you posted all over the internet.. Oh Maybe I’m worn just my gut talking to me. True Blue take care and thank you for doing what my family did as well. Im sorry you came across some bad people and I hope your luck changes. Just please remember and I have said this before. For ever on bad person there are tens of thousands of good people. That also applies on Long Island.

    1. Seriously? I have hundreds of posts on my blog. Other than one or two other posts, this is the ONLY one where I discuss Long Island at length. Go to my front page and you will see streams of photos proving I no longer even live in NY. Don’t be so Long Islandy obtuse.

  170. I did not say I’m always right… I will let my “Obtuseness” reverse. Enjoy…

    1. Long Islander for life, Thank you for reaching out to me, I do greatly appreciate that. I also am very honored that you and your family along with the area you mentioned remembers those that gave to this country including other than military.

      I thank you again for understanding that I do realize that their are others that have good morals and up bringing, but the ones I have encountered( and it steams from some professionals as well with high authority) to the neighbor next door that seems to think every hour of the day he has to change not just his mood but personalities as well.

      I believed I was living next to a family clan in one household till I realized it was the same person just the other neighbors involved as well.

      Let me give you a specific idea on what I go through on a daily basis. My shipmate from New Mexico never been to New York state. I invited her to my home and it was veterans day.

      There was a parade out in the village and we were both on active duty at the time on a 24hr leave. Walking to the LIRR station in full working dress uniform we were approached by the mailman that just got out to drop off mail at the house we were passing, and he smiles and says, ” Hey you guys are walking the wrong way the parade is happening this way, its nice to see you dressed up in costume for it”

      Lets just say I have never seen my shipmate ever fall out of military bearing especially in uniform, but to calm her down I just had to pull rank, ( and she was higher ranking than me) but this was my “new” neighborhood.

      On the same day, it was announced that NYC (Like always even when its not veterans day) along with the LIRR would be giving free rides to active duty in uniform and with active duty Id cards shown. She wanted to see NYC including the famous train system so off we went on our adventure.

      We board the train and to our amazement we have the conductor ask us for the fare.

      I immediately pull out what i thought was enough, but it wasn’t ( we don’t really carry to much cash just our travel card and personal cards for payments) and the conductor said we have to get off the next stop for non payment.

      My shipmate and I showed our ID cards and stated that we believed we can get the ride waived as stated on the news. Not because we were looking for a hand out, nor did we expect curiosity.

      The conductor was so arrogant, and loud and he really embarrassed me because I didn’t have enough cash but I offered my credit card for payment. ( credit cards aren’t accepted, didn’t know that at the time ) that was why we finally took a stance and stated what the news had advertised but apologized if we had misunderstood. I said it was not nessacery to approach us in a confrontational manner though.

      His response was if we don’t get off at the next stop he was going to get the police and stop the train. I was so embarrassed especially since it was actually my first time on the LIRR. I only got on with my shipmate because of what we heard the news channel 12 state.

      A few seats down two guys entered the train in camo’s and the conductor never even asked for their IDs and just said hi and passed right by them. Even though I didn’t believe they were even military at all because they were completely out of uniform.

      Everything was wrong on them. but confronting them, after what just happened to us in front of this crowded train and people making snide remarks on how we were looking for freebies… mind you my shipmate was in shock.

      There were “possibly” two people who were not military at all and dressed out of uniform and/or improper and no one questioned them. But us?

      I myself was able to make that New York trip after being in the military hospitals for two and half years in and out getting repaired and in rehab while stuck on base for three years since getting back from overseas due to my injuries.

      But NYC made up for all that heartache though. The people, the places, the atmosphere alone was the best time I ever had my shipmate had an unforgettable time as well.

      My shipmate still visits along with others from other states, but I have to meet with them in the city. She told of her experience on the island that day and I guess it affected her more than I thought.

      Long Islander for Lif: this is just a a two minute incident that I explained. This took place only two years ago, in Suffolk county. It does not even start to compare of other instances that have occurred since then and still are occurring. Whether I mention I am military or not.

      Even as a civilian I am met with people that are odd to say the least. Not welcoming at all like I am known to be, Or even just cordial.

      Someone on this post said it best, “if you aren’t useful to someone, then there is no need to even acquaint with you.” even if you were introduced by someone they know.

      Hey thanks again Long Islander for Lif, for you and your families sacrafice,God Bless, really that was very kind of you to say.

      As for your opinion of Frank though,… if you feel that he is what you say he is, then it just makes me wonder more (since he is a native as well), did the people I encounter…., could that society have tormented a child so much that he grew to resent what was taught to him by so many? I hope your right then.

      I will visit the area you mentioned soon. I need a new perspective.

      Pro deo Et Patria

  171. Hi TrueBlue,

    I’ve lived on this wretched island since 2011, and I have to say, that incident you described on the LIRR has been my daily experience here ever since. I don’t mean specifically the LIRR situation, but the way the conductor treated you, with arrogance, disrepect and malice, not even considering that what you said might be accurate, and treating you like a third rate criminal rather than one of the people who put their lives at risk for me and everyone else not in uniformed law enforcement.

    Bipolar, schizophrenic, selfish, angry and jealous people dominate Long Island. You could be driving along Sunrise highway, getting gas, or trying to tone up at the gym. If they don’t know who you are, they hate you. If you look better then they do, they hate you. Have a nice car? Be prepared to be raced by the Honda Civic with a muffler so f***ing loud your deceased grandmother will complain.

    Here’s the requirements for surviving on Long Island:

    1) Be a complete and total racist. Hate blacks, asians and indians. But whatever you do, DO NOT HATE THE JEWS, Italians or Irish people which populate most of the outspoken caucasions in the island.

    2) If you are a minority, act really angry all of the time. Because chances are, the white people already are scared of you anyway.

    3) If you’re driving and want to pass someone, be prepared to race like you’re in the f***ing INDY 500, because the second you put on your blinkers to signal right or left (which, most drivers on Long Island only engage AFTER they’ve exited the f***ing lane) then the guy next to you will purposely speed up to PREVENT you from passing. IF you cut the guy off, be prepared to get followed for a few miles before they let up.

    4) If you’re good looking (and I don’t mean ugly f***ing women on Island Island with painted faces, fake tits, and delusional perspectives on how pretty they are when they are @$$-wipe ugly, then be prepared to get treated like a f***ing a-hole. NO ONE likes good looking people on Long Island, probably because the typical citizen looks like white trash trailer living scumbags with gold chains, dodge chargers and discount sneakers from the local mall.

    5) Want to eat out? Be prepared for small portions, impolite waitresses / waitors who can’t get the f***ing order right (I said RARE, not BURNT TO A CRISP A-HOLE) and if you complain about what you ordered, they’ll argue with you instead of apologizing – and double charge you for their mistake!

    6) Have a job out here? If you aren’t [sleeping with the] manager or have a vowel in your name, you’ll last about 6 weeks.

    But the best advice I can give to anyone living on Long Island: GET THE F*** OUT of long island if you’re normal. You’ll thank me later, and I’m getting the F*** out in 2016.

    For those of you who hate my post, you’re DEFINITELY a long island s*** head and should just ignore everything (Or do what you always do and reply with anger). For everyone else, please, do yourself a favor: Get the F*** OUT of longisland.

    1. OMG…

      Pete D, I BLAME YOU FOR MY INJURY….I just got back up from busting my butt and falling off my chair laughing so hard that tears were coming down in buckets…LOL .

      This is the best description I could ever had come up with,,,cough cough ….Im still dying here 🙂 ….AWESOME!!!!!

      Hey next time let allow me pass you and I will turn my signal on sooner..HAHAHAHA…didnt mean to cut you off…LOL…dont speed up to stop me then…HAHAHA….LMFAO!!!! I just had to get some air spray I saw on sale …..LOL….

      Don’t you know that my charger was built for speed, so I must say it does hold up…HE HEHEHE ( I really do have one ..Opps :)…

      Really Pete D you made my day ..no no ..you made my year, thanks a lot man. Try to hang in there though, cause its transplants like us that show some of the natives what real people are like in the mentally stable world.

      Plus I know you would miss out on having something to compare to, and you will always have one goal in life set. That one goal ( out of many I’m sure) would definitely be a reminder to NEVER turn out to be this way, especially if its always around you.

      OMG…I still can’t even express myself properly yet , Im just still dying here and in tears over your post…I haven’t laughed so hard in my life except when I was a little kid and my brother tickled the SH#@ out of me….

      Keep it real Pete D, you are very much appreciated and I will be sending this post to my shipmate that was affected so badly by being out here( the first and last time) that I am hoping this convinces her to visit me again on the Island.

      Even though I am always coming up with an excuse to go back to my hometown in the city. Hang in there and best of spirits, Really.

      Any more analogies, PLEASE POST :)…JUST LOVE IT!!!!

      Pro Deo Et Patria

      True Blue

    2. Hey Frank,

      I know it was difficult to endure, I know you waited your whole life to leave and finally got the chance too,, but if your into comedy you should have waited a while and 90% of these posters are persons who agree with you.

      This would have been universal to invest in a comedy club and just have us 90% , plus MANY MANY more I’m sure, enjoy ourselves once a week. There are a lot of natives in here just like you as well, that agree.

      You see that they write the material for us to use. It could be endless. That would have been one possible way to enjoy your home while you were still here,without having the bullies stay behind.

      Anyway it was just a thought, I still need to be here for a while yet and now that I know of so many others that are affected in the same way as I have been, if they can stick it out it gives me incentive to do so also.

      As for the the “bullies” (really putting it in a nice way here) that are the tormentors or disrespectful pin heads on the island, hear this, be careful what you wish for, cause the normal or so called sane people may just surprise you and teach you that there are other societies that can live a more stress free life.

      Watch and be open minded and it may just surprise you that change is not all that bad, sometimes.

      Pro Deo Et Patria

      True Blue

  172. LI people are grade A certified douchebags. EVERY time I’ve had a problem with someone in a bar, it has been on the island. Never – even in very sketchy places- in the city have I ever had someone start trouble with me.

    LI people are mindless, culture-less, materialistic sh%% heels.

  173. Thank you for this entertaining and spot on-blog! You summed it up so well I read it thrice. I’m still reading through all the posts but I had to say cheers. After growing up on LI, living in the NYC for nearly 15 years (and some short stints elsewhere) and moving back, I have also noticed many changes and not for the better. Notably in housing prices and the attitudes of people living here… and the traffic, road rage, road conditions, lack of community, small-mindedness, mini-malls (drive thru Starbucks included), LIRR, lack of culture (all for the low, low price…) etc. But mostly the base and/or entitled attitudes! I almost bought a home but I’m planning my escape as well. I wouldn’t invest here after seeing what it’s becoming. I’m not excited to see what it’ll be like in another 15 years. Most people I know aren’t either. Maybe the people ragging on you just don’t know how much better it can be or maybe they’re content little lobsters scuttling about the ocean floor. To each his own. I don’t like shellfish anyway.

  174. This post brought up a lot of bad memories of life on LI. My parents moved out to LI in 1979. I graduated high school in 1991, and then moved out. I would only go back during holidays, and each time I’d find fresh reasons of why I was glad to get out. The place really does bring out the worst in people. Probably because everything is so crammed together, with no elbow-room for anybody. Whatever middle class is left has to fend for itself, as the nice parts (relative term) are sold off to the rich, and the middle class has to deal with roads that are falling apart, schools that are over-priced, and hospitals that are held together with glue and duct tape.

    Aside from the material and physical disadvantages of living in LI, it is the attitude. I grew up in a mostly Italian neighborhood. The celebration of guido culture was a sight to behold. This was 2 decades before any knew “Jersey Shore”. Being non-Italian, we were subject to some truly atrocious behavior, but interestingly, those Italians that rejected guido culture probably got it worst. The kids who were into astronomy, fantasy, classical or jazz music – were often teased and bullied. People whose culinary tastes did not simply revolve around sausage and peppers.

    And as much as I hated living there and was glad to get out, I’m afraid it will drag me back. My parents still live out there, and their health is not that great. Living there, they have adopted many of the negative behaviors of Long Islanders – rude, inconsiderate, and demanding of your time and attention without so much as a thank you. I’ve hinted they should move out to where I am now, the Chicago metro area, but they usually shoot down. The expect me to give up my life to take care of them. That is the mark of a true Long Islander.

    1. I’m fortunate in that my parents equally hate Long Island, and besides that it’s simply unaffordable to live in, so I expect them to be moving out to where I am within the next year. 🙂

      Funny thing, I’m Italian and I can relate to what you said about the guido culture. I was never a part of it, and because of that virtually none of my friends growing up were Italian.

  175. OMG….. Really? I cant believe any of you are saying that long islanders have no class.. Read your posts.. Really!!!! This is probably why long Islanders abuse you.. Get off the Island and go into the mountains.. Maybe you’ll find Bigfoot.. If you do send him to Long Island.. True Blue ,don’t listen to these Long Island want to be, lame people. Just think about what they are saying.. They have a lot of resentment.. Probably something that happened when they were young. I don’t blame them they just don’t see the big picture. Probably nice people take away the bigotry and prejudging.

    1. To Long oslander for life, I said it before I know there are great people on the Island. Just like you many others as well and with class, high morals and integrity. I appreciate that. Thank you very kindly.
      Its amazing how you are spot on. I met a few people that I would defiantly say verbatim “go into the mountains” ….That is Great…PRICELESS….LOL.. 🙂

      I am a bit concerned though, that someone may take your request seriously. ;-o
      I don’t believe Big foot should be bothered, but to any one planning to venture…if someone decides to bring him here I will arrange and pay for his first class trip here in style. Big foot never harmed or bothered anyone so he does deserve to be treated respectfully.

      Have a Blessed and wonderful Thanksgiving to you and everyone else.

      I can start the Thanksgiving by saying, I am truly thankful and grateful to be able to reply, read a blog, and just to be able to be ‘here’ to enjoy and face all the ups and downs that life throws at you. Along with making improvements in any areas that I may have fell short on. To be available for anyone in need…. someway, somehow possible.

      God Bless America

      Pro Deo Et Patria

      True Blue

  176. True Blue..
    I’m not too sure Bigfoot is so innocent. If so why is he so hard to catch? Why is he in the woods and mountains and not on the E train on 8th AV in midtown manhattan. Why is his foot so big. If so don’t you think they would notice a diffrent part of his anatomy. You know what they say about big feet. So yea we can probably call him a big d*** as well. Infact why don’t they just call him “big d***”.. I would think that would make him feel a little more secure and maybe he would come out of hiding. Where is”Big D***”. Or better known as “Snatch Squat”… What the…

    1. OMG…Please STOP…I can’t any more…Cough Cough ….I don’t think my insurance is going to cover another paddle shock to revive me….

      ( as the ambulance is just pulling up to the hospital, the doctors listen intently to the paramedics instructions…Doc whatever you do Do Not ask the patient “If Big D*** caused this to you why are you still laughing ? ” …… while being wheeled into the emergency room as the sound of the machine echos with the steady loud BEEP and the doctors pounding away at chest compressions….. HAHAHAHAHA 🙂

      I barely made it through…I am finally in my hospital room recovering…

      Blessed Thanksgiving and I am really blessed to have received such an enlightening and wonderful out look on how to respectfuly describe Big Foot from now on…Just AWESOME.

      Greatly appreciated that one for sure!!!! 🙂 Will be sending this out to all my buddies overseas. They will really have something to look forward to on there return. I will defiantly part of the search party as well.

      Pro Deo Et Patria

      True Blue ( Thanks Truly, Long Islander For life )

  177. Mark if you do not want me hear jus tell me.. I know sometime i light it up but i ill sell tickets to you show.. so if you think you knot just tell me and im gone.. come on i thought we were friends

  178. I can tell you this. Long Island does have issues. The biggest issue are taxes for commercial property. You see so many companies going under. It due to the NYS property taxes. Also for those of you that do pay the taxes thank you for hanging in. We need a state government to lower our taxes for commercial phones, rent taxes and everything else. the state is putting them out of business. Please Frank step up an control this. You seem smart.so please help. This is your blog its you mission.

    1. Your comments are automatically moderated due to vulgarity. That said, I also find them very bizarre, disturbing and mentally unbalanced, and since it contributes very little to the discussion, you’ve been banned.

  179. Lying here incapacitated, having commented several times and knowing that Frank has made an awesome and interesting conversation piece.

    With no disrespect intended to anyone nor to take away from the purpose of this blog. But due to the Thanksgiving holiday nearing, respectfully I would like to make a request to all who plan to celebrate the holiday on Long Island and afar.

    Would it be possible for all, to place and extra setting at the table ‘reserved’ as a symbol for those who are gone but not forgotten, who are also unable to make it home to be with family and friends. To relay that we have not forgotten them which they are forever in our hearts and mind and for the many that will be returning soon.

    This symbolized act is very well versed for those in the military society but it is also used on the civilian side when tragedies of a loved one, family member, friend or close person have taken place and also separations of such that have not been intended during this time as well.

    Have a blessed and wonderful Thanksgiving to all.

    Pro Deo Et Patria

    True Blue

  180. Thanks for this article!

    I can’t help but notice the comments from the people attacking you (LI-style ?).. Umm.. this is your website, you are entitled to your own opinion. You’re just being blunt and honest about your experience and feelings…these conversations are important. If we can’t talk about the negative aspects of our society, how can we improve? There are pros and cons everywhere. That’s the thing.. I couldn’t stand growing up on LI… Once you say something that someone else doesn’t approve of (or hurts their huge ego…which is easy to do when the ego is gigantic…typical in my family) it’s as if you are the most evil person in the world and deserve to be attacked with nasty insults, invoking shame, and maybe even fear via threats. On Long Island, at least the parts of Suffolk where I’m from, the “sweeping problems under the rug” tactic was preferred. It just makes everything so much worse…

    I remember being terrified of the girls once I entered grade school. I learned how to not become a target…survival instincts from a young age! Being physically attacked in school was a normal thing..

    I escaped LI at the age of 17 (almost 18) … Basically I moved out of my abusive household during the summer after I graduated high school to go to college in NYC. Loved NYC (of course it has its issues as well..but people were so much less trashy, xenophobic and nasty). Lived in NYC for 6 years.. then finally got out of the state and moved to the French Alps! People are so calm here.

    I had some great experiences on LI… sure I’m attached to those memories… Fire Island, the docks, the friendly delis, the food.. I have actually lived all over Suffolk Country..north and south shores. I grew up in a very saturated, ugly and aggressive North shore town with the bitchiest small-town mentality of school districts, to a very chill, more multi-cultural and friendly school towards the south shore (which ended up being such an awesome, idyllic high school experience!) although home-life was hell. The harshest of what you frankly state about Long Islanders is my family in a nutshell. I was born in the wrong family. I had awesome teachers in high school and experienced some fantastic, compassionate people there…whom I wished could adopt me at the time. But overall, I totally feel you in what you’re saying about the negative of LI and why the people who hate it, hate it so. I carry the scars of my childhood..raised by mentally ill people on that island. Maybe there’s a mental illness issue that needs to be addressed.. I wouldn’t be surprised if the statistics showed more frequent mental illness sufferers there. Then they raise children and the cycle continues.. My biggest fear was becoming “crazy” like one of my family members..which is why I got out and seeked out therapy once I could!

    1. Thanks for sharing your experience, I’m glad you found your way of escape too! Funny that you also moved to a mountainous region as well. ??

      There were things about the island I could have enjoyed too, but the people completely ruined it. Even now with the Thanksgiving crowds I just don’t feel oppressed or squeezed in on all sides like I did on Long Island. I might even go out on Black Friday just to compared and contrast the experience.

      May you continue to enjoy your new home, and have a happy thanksgiving.

  181. grenobloise;
    Welcome aboard. Look anyone can put up a blog..Frank probably spent like twenty minutes”on this great Blog”. Oh yeah god forgive you say something, that goes against the grain this guy takes it down. Now I understand at times I can be a bit tough. However after making the statements It makes it appear Frank is not genuine he makes It kind of find hard to believe he listed those target not thinking anyone would call him out on it. So when you he just deletes them. THis does not make it a blog at all.Oh and if he says some of the things I said are out of line and a bit dramatic, look at his own pots first. That tells me he can dish it out but cant take it. “Loser” So that my opinion. Frank is a loser .. Hey wait just one second Frank is not a loser he took something that was good and turn something that could be great burbe slacking you can always email me if . Frank why don’t you MAKE a partner I can spice things up and we can make some money.. You have nothing to do. After studying what you have done its actually nothing but something softearn. Im thinkin your just going to delet this so I have co[ed tji SSorry have to go cant do spell check.

  182. Hi Frank. Just wanted to wish you your first Merry Christmas in Colorado. Hope things are going well and you are enjoying your life out here. I haven’t been back on Long Island for a few years. My father still lives in Port Jeff Sta and is in his mid 80’s. I really need to go and see him. I’ll tell you one thing, He really likes Colorado and loved visiting me here when he was able to years ago.
    We did the usual routine of moving from Ridgewood Queens to “Out in the sticks” in 1972. I was fortunate to get out of Queens and grow up in a nice place, But… that was the 70’s. I’ve met numerous people from Long Island out here, and the common denominator of them moving here is as follows: They knew someone who moved here and they followed. They wanted a better quality of life. Less expensive. When I moved to Colorado 22 years ago people thought I was crazy. Now people from all over the country want to live here. I was lucky to get in when I did. I have been in Colorado long enough where I am no longer a novelty act. I cleaned up my speech and actually speak English proper. People who tell you off about your opinions and thoughts
    seem to be non creative types. The get a city job and retire in twenty years, Thats what my Grandfather, Father did. Well, that may work for them, but not everybody. New York is not the center of the universe any longer. Internet took care of that. Glad your enjoying your new found happiness. As I said before, Take every opportunity that comes your way. I wish you happiness this upcoming New Year. See, a real New Yorker wishes you well, Amazing!
    Frohe Weihnachten. Bill

    1. Thank you Bill! My first Thanksgiving here was awesome, and got to enjoy some Christmas festivities and snow in town, where I was easily able to find free(!!!) parking and walk around enjoying some of the samples the boutique shops brought out. Truly a different world out here.

      Thanks for the well wishes, and an early Merry Christmas!

  183. First, I would not recommend moving to Long Island if you’re not a native. It will chew you up and spit you out. Second, this article is a little biased in the sense that it all depends on where you grew up. Each town is different. Yes, I was blessed in growing up in upper middle class town on the south shore. It seems like you were one of the unlucky ones that dealt with depression issues this island can cause. It has its ugly parts but you have to leave your front porch to go find the beautiful places the island has to offer. There are many parks, I lived by the beaches and shortish drive out east. I’m only 33 and do just fine paying my mortgage, student loans, cars, and whatever else. I guess maybe it was just my parents that raised me to be a man and not complain. Make smart financial choice and you won’t be struggling. Oh and for god sake get bug spray. This blog is just another reason this country(not just long island) is going to s%%%. Brat kids like you that complain and want everything handed to you. Traffic is traffic deal with it and stop complaining. Good for you that you finally moved, but I can’t see you being happy anywhere. Do not get me wrong I agree with a lot you said, but you can control your happiness no matter where you live as long as you man up and put a little elbow grease in. Just another hipster that complains and just wants hand outs.

    1. Dear Bryan the wrong islander schmuckhead,

      Thanks for reinforcing the reality that Long Guuylanders are not welcoming to outsiders and continue to live in a narcissistic bubble devoid of reality and rationale. Making excuses for all the island’s ails is why nothing improves and only gets worse.

      I’m sure Mommy and Daddy are helping you with the bills, because unless you’re making six figures, you’re splitting/sharing the cost of living somehow, which is ironic considering you’re the one accusing me of not being the man. Grow up boy.

      I won’t lie and say there aren’t picturesque places on Wrong Island, in fact I believe I stated that in my post. The trouble is GETTING there, and then once you’re there, dealing with the people already there, and the problem with the people already there is that they’re long islanders and will behave as such.

      As for bug spray, are you stupid? You do realize bug spray has little impact on ticks, and you really need permethrin if you want to survive a hike in the park during the warmer climates? Don’t be an idiot, but then again you can’t help yourself since you’re a Wrong Islander, can you.

      And as for financial choices, I’m debt free, have a 401K, an IRA and vested in a pension. I have no loans unlike you, because I made smart financial choices, the best being leaving a place that has the highest cost of living in the country. I’m sure your mortgage will last you 40 plus years for a house that will eventually lose its valuation due to LI’s vastly overinflated real estate. Let me guess, you spent $400-$600K for a money pit that’s little more than a whole in the ground, amirite? Ya see, out here, I bet I can buy a better quality house twice as big with gorgeous views for half the price. But what do I know since evidently I can’t make good financial choices and just want handouts from the government. ? But you go enjoy your rundown shack living in the cement blocks that Long Island calls towns.

      The asinine comment that we control our happiness must sell really well for people in prison. And that’s what LI was, a prison. I’m glad I escaped and didn’t wind up being just another douchetarded dipweed like you still stuck in their schizo bubble.

      Merry Christmas!

  184. I cannot tell you how much we miss you. As someone raised on Long Island and who has an earned PhD from an Ivy, I can tell you that the neurosis you speak of probably hits a little more close to home than you would like to admit. Quite possibly the single parent household and the lack of a nurturing father’s touch may be the cause of your own mental instabilities and cause you to place blame on others. My prescription: keep your mouth closed and stop writing. You demonstrate poor abilities when trying to do either.

    1. You’re not supposed to double space after periods in a sentence. I can’t believe an Ivy league education never taught you that.

    2. Was your dissertation in Pomposity? Or was that just a tidbit you picked up in Presumption 101 at Hofstra? Why I left LI, in a nutshell. Couldn’t take the rudeness and snobbery. Sheesh…

  185. I thought I was the only one who hated this place until I found your article. I am trapped here because of conscience. I have an autistic son in a group home nd my wife will not leave LI. This place sucks. I’ve been trying to get away for 35 years, after growing up in NYC and moving to LI after returning from the service having no relatives but my sister in Dix Hills.

    Everything you have said is true, and a carbon copy of my rant.



    1. Sorry to hear that Dan, all I can say is that it took me a long time as well, to the point that I thought it would be impossible, but I never ultimately gave up, and now I’m free. Hope you find your way of escape too!

  186. I don’t hate long island but dislike it. But I have no where to go. Manhattan and Brooklyn even more money and NJ is just same thing.

    Also you forget housing is cheap for a lot of folks. All my brothers and sisters and wive’s brothers and sister bought pre-housing boom. And our kids are not old enough to buy a house. Nearly all of us have no mortgage.

    My house costs me approximately 3% of my gross income each year.

    What I do hate is LIRR, commute to city, and driving off the Island to NJ etc with traffic and tolls.

    What I also hate is I am trapped in my starter home for life as you have to jump up to at least 1.2 million to get a home that a truck driver in texas owns.

    1. It probably depends on taxes too, for some properties the taxes alone can make a mortgage seem like the cost of a Starbucks coffee in comparison.

  187. Spent the better part of an hour reading this blog and all the replies, finally I have found others who feel the same way as I! Going to be 40 next year, spent all of it on Long Island, and have seen it change for the worse. Much worse. I was born in Brookhaven Hospital out east, but spent most of my childhood in the Northern Part of Wantagh. Growing up in the 80s the Island was a different place, mostly middle class, very safe, and lots of trees. A series of deaths in my family has put me on my own. Now I do suffer from a disabling psychological illness that keeps me from working, and I can tell you that those of us in housing programs do not live in luxury communities. Most apartments for the mentally ill are in poorer, run down neighborhoods. I live in Westbury and I’m actually one of the lucky ones, most live in cesspools like Hempstead and Roosevelt. We are not even allowed to live in towns along the South Shore. I tried looking at relocating to some of those towns like Massapequa, Wantagh, Bellmore, or Merrick, not only were the apartment rents way above the threshold but also openly discriminate against those with any disability, they all want white collar execs. Those towns (which used to be more down to earth) are full of snobs that thumb their nose at anyone who isn’t rich & white like them. Now Westbury isn’t terrible but there is crime and lots of illegals moving here, they hang around and loiter and drink, many are gang members, walking through town on a summer night isn’t for the faint-hearted. I am also unable to drive, and mass transit on LI is horrible. The LIRR is great if you can live along the Babylon Branch, lots of trains, less crowded, more frequent, but you gotta be rich to live there. Here in Westbury it is mostly only an hour wait for a crowded train. The buses used to be good, until they were privatized now they are very unreliable and there’s always cuts, NICE Bus is not nice. With all these rich people here you’d think they’d be able to afford to run decent bus service! Your points about the traffic and attitude of LI’ers is spot on, I have seen more & more obnoxious rich people coming here, everywhere you look there’s Mercedes, Audis, often acting with no regard at all for the rules of the road. They are white trash with money. It is very segregated, yes the center of LI is becoming a run down wasteland full of illegals and strip malls, and the north & south shores is full of rich people with their Benzes. There’s very few middle class areas remaining, whatever is left either gets taken over by rich people (Massapequa) or gets sold to slumlords by those desperate to get out (Hicksville). Now onto the parks, yes there’s a few areas on LI mainly in the Suffolk Pine Barrens where you rarely see other people. But sadly that is all disappearing. The development continues, McMansions, malls, and other crap go up where fields and forests once were. Someone mentioned enjoying the scenery by the old Calverton Grumman Site, well Riverhead has big plans to develop alot of it. I am very involved with trying to save the Pine Barrens but even I’m getting discouraged. It is breaking my heart to see what has happened out east. The ecosystem is truly being brought to a full collapse, there is simply not enough left to sustain it. I haven’t traveled all over the Country, but I have spent a good deal of time going to the Southern part of New Jersey. I love the Pine Barrens, to me, it is the best place on earth. And there is plenty to see down there. There’s so many more parks, and most are open to everyone, not like on LI where you have to be a resident. Take Toms River, a town in Ocean County on the edge of the Pine Barrens. People are friendly, and don’t try to hit me when I’m crossing the street. It is cleaner as well. I don’t see rich snobs everywhere with Mercedes (down there they call them Bennies). Not many illegals or thugs either. It feels like the safe place I grew up in. I plan on moving there in the future, I just have to figure out how. True, there’s no train, its further from the city, but you pretty much have everything within walking distance in the central part of Toms River. Once I started going down there on a regular basis I realized just what a crappy place Long Island is! It really is a shame, LI could’ve been a nice place, but its only nice if you are rich & can afford to live in a safe town, otherwise it sucks. I’m tired of these obnoxious, pretentious snobs everywhere I go on LI, their Mercedes, honking..and the other side of the coin, all the thugs & illegals that just take over other towns. I do not fit in here anymore. Never liked luxury anything. I just like enjoying nature. Trying to save whats left on LI seems to be fruitless. The corruption is too much. Oh and the ticks,,,yes they are horrible, and I unfortunately have to avoid the woods on LI in summer. NJ is not nearly as bad. I’ll tell you why LI has such bad ticks, it is because of the overdevelopment. The natural cycles of the Pine Barrens have been interrupted, fires that would kill off the brush are not allowed to burn, which in turn leads to brush overgrowth. That in addition to ever shrinking habitat means an excessive amount of deer and mice in a small area (tick hosts). The Pines are starting to die as well, Pitch Pines cannot survive in segmented areas, they need large areas and fires to sustain themselves. And yes Permetherin is the only thing that stops the ticks, DEET is useless. Anyway I hope you take the time to read my reply and have a Merry Christmas (and a Happy New Year too).

    1. Frank-

      Your story caught my attention and was very interesting. Although I am not from Long Island myself (I grew up in suburban Philly), my mother is from Long Island, and her entire family of nine siblings grew up there. The majority have moved away, and most still reside on the Tri-State area, but the LI behavior has never left them. It seems to be more the females then the males as nearly all my uncles are level headed and straight. However, my aunts and mom included are the most bipolar bunch you could ever dream up. I never actually thought it was “Long Island” causing this behavior, I always just assumed it was in the family. I recently moved to NC to get away from the NE, and have loved it here. Even growing up in Philly, we have pothole ridden streets, filth, pollution, and some of the worst traffic I’ve ever experienced. Growing up, I too would have to plan all of our outings by the time of day and know which roads were going to be parking lots if we didn’t hit it at the exact right time. But to get back to your story, I was recently at a bar in Raleigh talking to someone from LI, and he went off on how the “bi**hes” in LI were crazy. I laughed bc I instantly thought about my family. I didn’t put much thought into it until I met a girl from LI who I became friendly with. She, like me, wanted to get out of LI and explained to me how crazy it is. I started to think back to my days growing up and of visiting family and friends in LI, and all of the drama that ALWAYS ensued. That leaves with this one question, why are people from Long Island Crazy?

      When I read your story, there was a piece of information that jumped out at me, and it was the tick population, and Lyme disease. I have Lyme disease contracted from a tick here in Philly. Fortunately for me, I as able to detect it right away and treat it. However, I dated this girl a few years back from NC, who worked in the Vet industry and became extremely ill. This girl also had significant mood swings that seemed worsen as time went on. As she became more ill her symptoms became more frequent, and I asked her if she ever had a Lyme test done, since some of the symptoms seemed identical to Lyme. Living in NC, doctors & hospitals don’t “believe” Lyme disease exists in this state, so we had to go to a specialist in Charlotte that would take the culture and send to a lab. Sure enough, she tested positive for Lyme. But that wasn’t it, she then went to a specialist doctor in MD that treated infectious diseases, who charges roughly $15/minute, and he also took a blood culture but found something other then Lyme – he said she had Bartonella, which is one of many different co-infections of Lyme. I still speak to my ex from time to time and she has been on hardcore antibiotics and every other possible drug you can think of for over 2 years now, and it still seems she’s a long ways away from full recovery. Her mental state was very similar to that of my mom and her family, and it makes me wonder if the majority of LI is infected with Lyme or a co-infection. The doctor my ex saw in MD, a very very impressive resume and highly regarded, stated to my ex and me during one of the consults, that Lyme and its co-infection’s “could possibly” be transmitted through sex. The other horrifying statement that he stated was that Lyme can go undetected in the human body up to 5 years, meaning someone can have Lyme but not test positive for up to 5+ years. As for the co-infections, the incubation period is even longer and much harder to detect than that of Lyme! Not only that, but the CDC doesn’t acknowledge all of the co-infections due to limited research, so many people are forced to see these specialists at exuberant costs, never covered under insurance.

      I know there could be many reasons for the bipolar personality that takes up LI, but in the end, there has to be a legitimate reason, and I strongly believe it has something to do with the tick infestation and infectious diseases they cary to the host – Long Islander’s. Like I said, the CDC has only identified around 8 co-infections of Lyme, but most doctors believe there to be 100’s.

      Please email me if you would like to discuss further. This topic fascinates me!

      greg.t.steele@ g m a i l.com

      1. Very interesting, I think for there to be a correlation there would need to be a study undertaken that would use other areas with heavy cases of lyme disease to see if there’s a pattern. Here’s a map of the cases reported in 2013:

        Makes me wonder what the bipolar cases are like in Minnesota. O__O

    2. Thanks for your comment John, it sounds like that slice you found in NJ would be a nice place to live. Hope you find a way and obtain the peace you’re looking for away from LI. Merry Christmas!

  188. Officially closing comments, I think just about everything that can be said has been said, and to continue to the discussion further would only allow fly by night “Wrong Island” trolls to pester the blog with their idiocy and blindness. Time to turn over a new leaf and enjoy a new year. Happy New Year all!

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